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Mapping Former TWHS

 
 
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Author Assif
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#121 | Posted: 1 Jan 2019 22:00 

Author Assif
Partaker
#122 | Posted: 4 Jan 2019 20:08 
Assif:
meltwaterfalls:
Madagascar Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy
https://www.petitfute.com/v57569-mahavelona-foulpointe/c1173-visites-points-d-interet /c937-monuments/c952-fortifications-remparts/369214-le-fort-manda-du-roi-radama-ier.h tml
-17.676747, 49.505933

Now I see Mahavelona Fort is already there as a separate FTWHS. Although it is the best candidate of a military fort at Madagascar's eastern shore, it seems both Mahavelona and a serial nomination of fortifications were on the T-list at the same time (1985-1997). Any ideas what other sites might have been considered?

Author Assif
Partaker
#123 | Posted: 4 Jan 2019 20:10 
meltwaterfalls:
Down to the final 7

meltwaterfalls:
Burkina Faso Niangouri
Cameroon Cases-obus de Karsiki
Congo (Democratic Republic) Bunzi Sanctuary
Madagascar Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy
Syria Carqabis
Syria Sarjaleh
Tunisia Site de Ben Jasla

I have noticed Ben Jasla has been spotted. Should we give it another try and maybe find the rest of them?

Author Assif
Partaker
#124 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 09:18 
Assif:
Syria Sarjaleh (1995)

This is the same site as the later TWHS Sergilla (1999) which then became a part of the Northern Syrian Villages WHS.

Author Assif
Partaker
#125 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 09:44 | Edited by: Assif 
Assif:
Congo (Democratic Republic) Bunzi Sanctuary

Bunzi is probably the village of Bemba-Bunzi:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bemba-Bunzi
It is currently located within the Conkouati-Douli NP, created in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkouati-Douli_National_Park
The FTWHS is from 1987, so I guess it was later subsumed into the larger NP. I would give the coordintes of the village within the park for the FTWHS:
-5.483121, 13.054143

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#126 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 10:05 
Assif:
Syria Carqabis

I suspect that this has something to do with "Abu Qubays (Arabic: أبو قبيس‎ also spelled Abu Qobeis, Abu Qubais or Bu Kubais; also known as Qartal" Wiki - see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Qubays

Author Assif
Partaker
#127 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 10:22 
Solivagant:
I suspect that this has something to do with "Abu Qubays

I don't think so. The description of the site says it is next to Qalb Loze.

Author Assif
Partaker
#128 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 10:24 
Assif:
Burkina Faso Niangouri

I have found the map on the last page of this document:
https://www.burkinafaso-cotedazur.org/documents/documents/histoire/archeologie.pdf
It includes numerous archaeological sites from Burkina Faso, but no mention of Niangouri.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#129 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 10:30 
Assif:
The description of the site says it is next to Qalb Loze.

Ok - could easily be transliterated from/to "(Car)qabis" both by typos - "i" and "l" and by spelling/pronunciation

Thus from "Qalb Loze" to "Qabis". ???

Author Assif
Partaker
#130 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 12:15 
Solivagant:
Thus from "Qalb Loze" to "Qabis". ???

But according to the description of the site it is next to Qalb Loze, not identical with it. Different from Qalb Loze, it is a city. Churches and palaces from the 3rd and 4rth centuries are mentioned.

Author Assif
Partaker
#131 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 12:27 

Author Assif
Partaker
#132 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 12:29 
@meltwaterfalls: Could you please update Bunzi and Qarqabis?

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#133 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 13:01 | Edited by: Solivagant 

Well done!
But surely that means that it is NOT a "former" T List site but is inscribed as a part of the "Villages of N Syria"???
I have just checked the Nomination file for that WHS and Qirqbize gets numerous mentions. It is within the 6th "element" of the nomination. I quote from pdf page 92.
"IV.7 Parc n°6 : le parc archéologique du Jebel al-A'la
Situé dans le Gouvernorat d'Alep, le parc du Jebel al-A'la comprend les villages de Kfeir, Qirqbizé et Qalb Lozé. Cette chaîne couvre environ 160 km2
".
"IV.7.2 qirqbizé
Le village, abandonné, est situé sur un éperon du Jebel al-Al'a, dominant la plaine de Shelf au Sud. Une zone de terre arable située à proximité permit une exploitation précoce de cette région en monoculture (oliviers). Tchalenko pense que les paysans cultivaient aussi des céréales dans la plaine en contre-bas........"
etc etc

Author Assif
Partaker
#134 | Posted: 5 Jan 2019 16:41 
You are right, Solivagant, so it isn't a FTWHS after all.

Author Assif
Partaker
#135 | Posted: 6 Jan 2019 05:34 
Assif:
meltwaterfalls:
Madagascar Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy

Found 2 other forts at the east coast of Madagascar we could use as the base for this FTWHS:
Fort Hova, Farafaty (Farafate) 7 km from Toamasina:
https://www.petitfute.com/v57563-tamatave-toamasina/c1173-visites-points-d-interet/c9 37-monuments/c952-fortifications-remparts/369908-farafaty.html
I couldn't find the exact coordinates, so we could take the ones for the town:
-18.157382, 49.408337
Another fort is the one at Taolagnaro (Tolanaro):
https://www.colonialvoyage.com/portuguese-fort-in-madagascar/#
Again I don't have the exact coordinates, hence the ones for the town:
-25.036044, 46.973979

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