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Author Solivagant
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#91 | Posted: 20 Jun 2018 10:25 | Edited by: Solivagant 
meltwaterfalls:
If anyone wants to pick up those remaining sites please feel free to carry on

I will take Syria's remaining 19.
Results so far together with references and notes!! Bold = Still to find!

Bourade
Carqabis
Danes
L'Ancienne route traversant la Region d'Al-lajat 33.043335, 36.457798
La Forteresse d'al-Rahbe 35.005017, 40.423498
La Forteresse de Ja'abar 35.897674, 38.480790
La Forteresse de Marqab 35.152141, 35.949847
La Forteresse de Najm 36.555241, 38.261569
La Route Romain entre Alep et Antakia
Le Palais de Ibn Wardan 35.373385, 37.246955
Salhiet al-Fourat - Still on Syria's T List as Dura Europos
Sarjaleh
Sergilla – Already inscribed as part of Syrian Village
Sit el Roum – already inscribed as part of Syrian Villages
Syrrhus 36.744218, 36.959189
Tell Ade
Tell Ein-dara 36.459565, 36.852480
Tell El-Machrafa (Qatana)
Zeus Madbachus

NOTES
bourade - ???
Carqabis - ????
Danes – Could this be al-Dana?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dana,_Syria
L'Ancienne route traversant la Region d'Al-lajat – (a.k.a La région d'Al-Lejâh and Trachon).
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachon . It is a Lava field which is also a UNESCO Biosphere reserve. I have taken the centre for coordinates.
La Forteresse d'al-Rahbe (a.k.a Al Rahba) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Rahba
La Forteresse de Ja'abar (a.k.a Qal'at ja'bar ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qal%27at_Ja%27bar
La Forteresse de Marqab (a.k.a Margat Castle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margat
La Forteresse de Najm (a.k.a Qal'at Najm/"Castle Necmettin") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qal%27at_Najm
La Route Romain entre Alep et Antakia - several great photos of this "Roman road" but not their coordinates! https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/664289 "A Roman road located 40 km west of Aleppo. Formerly part of the main highway from Antioch to Chalcis. One of the longest stretches of Roman road still in existence. Built during height of Roman road construction in 2 AD."
Le Palais de Ibn Wardan (a.k.a Qasr Ibn Wardan) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasr_Ibn_Wardan
Salhiet al-Fourat – (a.k.a Dura Europos) al-Fourat is "The Euphrates" – but what is "Salhiet"?? Found it! See this book "Dura Europos - Salhieh of the Euphrates" https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Dura_Europos_Salhieh_of_Euphrates.html?id=mYbc jwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y It is still on syria's T List under that name - indeed it has 2 entries!
Sarjaleh - ????
Sergilla (a.k.a Serjilla) –already inscribed as part of Syrian villages WHS
Sit el Roum – (a.k.a "Sitt ar-Roum"). Nb The "ancient villages" WHS doesn't consist solely of individual villages but includes areas of "Parks" which include several villages – including this one.
Syrrhus – aka "Cyrrhus" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrrhus
Tell Ade - ????
Tell Ein-dara - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain_Dara_(archaeological_site)
Tell El-Machrafa (Qatana) - can find Qatana easily enough but not what it is which was being proposed
Zeus Madbachus - "MADBACHUS , i, Gr. Madbachos, ou , a nickname of Jupiter, whom he led to the Syrians. One finds it in an inscription on a stone, which was unearthed at Aleppo in the beginning of this century. There are several explanations of this. Supplem. à l'hist. crit. of dogmatic p. 37 . The most probable of these, however, is probably because Madbach means an altar to the Syrians, that he agrees with the Greek epibêmios and indicates the sacrificed Jupiter". But can't find any specific Temple to Zeus – there are several in Syria.

Author Assif
Partaker
#92 | Posted: 20 Jun 2018 14:44 
Assif:
Italy Europe Parco e Ville dei Castelli Romani (Colli Albani)

The current coordinates are only of the park. It would be nice to have the pontificial villas as well.
Ville Pontificie Castel Gandolfo: 41.749006, 12.650671

Author Assif
Partaker
#93 | Posted: 20 Jun 2018 16:06 
Solivagant:
bourade - ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barad,_Syria#Archaeological_remains
36.383528, 36.897937

Solivagant:
Danes – Could this be al-Dana?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dana,_Syria

Yes, it is the one, next to the Barisha Mts, as stated in the T-list.
36.214695, 36.769658

Solivagant:
La Route Romain entre Alep et Antakia - several great photos of this "Roman road" but not their coordinates! https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/664289 "A Roman road located 40 km west of Aleppo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinnasrin
36.002361, 36.998185

Solivagant:
Salhiet al-Fourat – al-Fourat is "The Euphrates" – but what is "Salhiet"??

This is identical with Dura-Europos TWHS (now combined with Mari):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dura-Europos
Location near Salhiyah, Syria

Solivagant:
Tell Ade - ????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taladah
36.251803, 36.801538

Solivagant:
ell El-Machrafa (Qatana) - can find Qatana easily enough but not what it is which was being proposed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatna
34.835273, 36.865898

Solivagant:
Zeus Madbachus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosn_Suleiman
34.930559, 36.245192

Author Assif
Partaker
#94 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 09:36 
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Kundelungu Park -10.618366, 27.840339
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Maiko park -0.500129, 27.499614
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Manbetu court
Meant is the Magbetu people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangbetu_people
I took the village of Ekibondo:
https://africa.si.edu/exhibits/focus/mangbetu2.html
3.546467, 28.332229
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Mbanga-Ngungu Caves
Same as current: Grottes de Dimba et Ngovo TWHS
https://www.mediaterranee.com/rubriques-generales/culture/rdc-les-grottes-du-bas-cong o-bientot-au-patrimoine-de-mondial-de-l-unesco.html

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#95 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 09:42 | Edited by: Solivagant 
I have been looking at DRC also - herewith some others -
Royal Village of Bakuba
https://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2014/02/kuba-people-most-artistic-an d-highly.html
"Some of the most recognized architecture within the Kuba kingdom lies in the capital city of Nsheng"
https://africa.uima.uiowa.edu/peoples/show/Bushoong
"Nsheng, which is now modern Mushenge"
"The old capital of the Kuba state was Mushenge where the court still resides. The current Kuba King, Kot-a-Mbweeky III, is currently ill and in Brussels, but the regent is still in Mushenge and the state functions, though of course with much reduced power and authority....... The research plan .... developed ....was based on surveying Kuba and Lele people residing in Kananga ... you couldn't go all the way to Kasai and not visit the royal capital of the Kuba state could you?"
Mushenge is situated in Kasai Occidental. Said to be some 200kms N of Kananga – but not shown on Google maps!!! It is NOT the "Mashenge" shown c 125kms N of Goma in the great lakes region

Church of Lounzolo
Do we know the source of this having been on DRC's T List was??
This "book" from 1993 from the World Bank states that "Lounzolo" is in Republic of Congo (Brazzaville) not DR of Congo (Kinshasa) or Zaire (as it then was–
http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/133031468768325927/pdf/multi-page.pdf
I think that the site could actually be "Linzolo" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linzolo
This is an important Christian mission site – it appears however that the original church was burnt down. See this for the 130 years old church in 2013 - http://www.lasemaineafricaine.net/index.php/vie-de-leglise/5895-archidiocese-de-brazz aville-saint-joseph-de-linzolo-celebre-bientot-son-130eme-anniversaire
If so it is at -4.411492, 15.111408

Manbetu Court
A bit more
a/k/a "Mangbetu" Palace - http://www.afropedea.org/mangbetu-palace
Specifically the "Palace of Munza". Wiki places the "Mangbetu" people as living on Orientale Province, DRC. No mention of where it might be/have been in this very large area and Google Maps doesn't mention it.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#96 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 12:50 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
Right we are down to 29. I think I have kept pace with the bits posted here, but shout out if anything was overlooked.

Mostly ones that have evaded us, a couple of serial sites or vague "Routes" in Spain.

Burkina Faso 1
Cameroon 1
China 1
Tunisia 1
Yemen 1
Congo (Democratic Republic) 2
Madagascar 2
Philippines 2
Syria 3
Spain 15
Grand Total 29

Solivagant:
Burkina Faso Africa Niangouri
Cameroon Africa Cases-obus de Karsiki
China Asia Shanxi Businessmen's Courtyard Houses
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Bunzi Sanctuary
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Royal village of Bakuba
Madagascar Africa Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy
Madagascar Africa Sites Islamiques du Nord-Ouest
Philippines Asia Jesuit Churches of the Philippines
Philippines Asia Spanish Colonial Fortifications of the Philippines
Spain Europe Camino de la lengua castellana, La Rioja
Spain Europe Colonias industriales de los ríos Cardener y Llobregat
Spain Europe Cultural Itinerary of Francis Xavier
Spain Europe El arte efímero en la fiesta del Corpus Christi Castilla-La Mancha
Spain Europe El camino de caballos de Menorca
Spain Europe El Canal de Castilla, Castilla-León
Spain Europe Iglesias rurales de Ibiza y Formentera
Spain Europe La Ruta de la Sal (Canarias)
Spain Europe La ruta de los dólmenes, Extremadura
Spain Europe La ruta del comercio de la nieve, Comun Valenc
Spain Europe Las representaciones teatrales de caracter popular Cast- La Manch
Spain Europe Las Torres de defensa, Baleares
Spain Europe Renaissance and Baroque Arch in the City of Granada (extension of Granada)
Spain Europe The Architecture of Dry Built Stone
Spain Europe Wine and Vineyard Cultural Itinerary through Mediterranean Towns
Syria Asia Carqabis
Syria Asia Salhiet al-Fourat
Syria Asia Sarjaleh
Tunisia Africa Site de Ben Jasla
Yemen Asia Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'


Author Solivagant
Partaker
#97 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 13:25 | Edited by: Solivagant 
meltwaterfalls:
Syria Asia Salhiet al-Fourat

Already on Syria's T list TWICE - once as "Dura Europos" AND once as "Mari & Europos-Dura sites of Euphrates Valley"
From above for "evidence" -
Salhiet al-Fourat – (a.k.a Dura Europos) al-Fourat is "The Euphrates" – but what is "Salhiet"?? Found it! See this book "Dura Europos - Salhieh of the Euphrates"
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Dura_Europos_Salhieh_of_Euphrates.html?id=mYbc jwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Author Assif
Partaker
#98 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 14:45 
Re: Royal Village of Bakuba
Solivagant:
but not shown on Google maps!!!

Found it! -4.329912, 21.349482

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#99 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 14:47 
Thanks Solivagant.

Right we are down to 25:

meltwaterfalls:
Burkina Faso Africa Niangouri
Cameroon Africa Cases-obus de Karsiki
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Bunzi Sanctuary
Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Royal village of Bakuba
Madagascar Africa Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy
Madagascar Africa Sites Islamiques du Nord-Ouest
Philippines Asia Jesuit Churches of the Philippines
Philippines Asia Spanish Colonial Fortifications of the Philippines
Spain Europe Camino de la lengua castellana, La Rioja
Spain Europe Colonias industriales de los ríos Cardener y Llobregat
Spain Europe Cultural Itinerary of Francis Xavier
Spain Europe El arte efímero en la fiesta del Corpus Christi Castilla-La Mancha
Spain Europe El camino de caballos de Menorca
Spain Europe Iglesias rurales de Ibiza y Formentera
Spain Europe La Ruta de la Sal (Canarias)
Spain Europe La ruta de los dólmenes, Extremadura
Spain Europe La ruta del comercio de la nieve, Comun Valenc
Spain Europe Las representaciones teatrales de caracter popular Cast- La Manch
Spain Europe Las Torres de defensa, Baleares
Spain Europe The Architecture of Dry Built Stone
Spain Europe Wine and Vineyard Cultural Itinerary through Mediterranean Towns
Syria Asia Carqabis
Syria Asia Sarjaleh
Tunisia Africa Site de Ben Jasla
Yemen Asia Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'


Author Solivagant
Partaker
#100 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 15:09 
Assif:
Royal Village of Bakuba
Solivagant:
but not shown on Google maps!!!

Found it! -4.329912, 21.349482

I believe, I believe you - but it would be nice to have an "audit" trail - the coordinates seem to be a forest in the middle of nowhere!

Author Assif
Partaker
#101 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 15:31 
meltwaterfalls:
Yemen Asia Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'

Intended is probably Baynun (N and B look similar in Arabic) in the province of Al-Hada':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baynun
14.754278, 44.638019

meltwaterfalls:
Spain Europe Cultural Itinerary of Francis Xavier

Castillo de Javier 42.594807, -1.215679

meltwaterfalls:
Spain Europe Colonias industriales de los ríos Cardener y Llobregat

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llista_de_col%C3%B2nies_t%C3%A8xtils_de_Catalunya
Cal Pons 41.965779, 1.884936
Colonia Valls 41.849281, 1.721891

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#102 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 16:29 
meltwaterfalls:
Spain Europe El camino de caballos de Menorca

Here - https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Cam%25C3%25AD_de_Cavalls&prev=search
But what to use as coordinates as it circles the entire island??

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#103 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 16:58 | Edited by: Solivagant 
meltwaterfalls:
Spain Europe Las Torres de defensa, Baleares

Well there are vast numbers of "Towers of Defence" on Majorca, Minorca and Ibiza!!!.

But which to choose as "representative"?
Majorca - http://www.mallorca-torres.de/index_es.php?site=torres_index
Minorca - http://www.mallorca-torres.de/index_es.php?site=torres_index_menorca
Ibiza - http://www.mallorca-torres.de/index_es.php?site=torres_index_ibiza

Author Assif
Partaker
#104 | Posted: 21 Jun 2018 17:33 
Re: Royal Village of Bakuba
Solivagant, you are right, I copied the wrong coordinates. The right ones are here:
-4.531097, 21.349525
It says Mushenge on Google Maps and fits the geographic location you described.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#105 | Posted: 22 Jun 2018 03:43 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Assif:
It says Mushenge on Google Maps and fits the geographic location you described.

Thanks. Actually I think that the word "Mushenge" on Google maps is just a general location and these are the coordinates of the town itself (Not far away)-
-4.521239, 21.312361

If you download this map of Kasai Province you will see "roads" and towns/villages marked more clearly than on Google (need to zoom but plenty of pixels to do so!).
https://humanitarianatlas.org/rdc/atlasmaps/province/kasai.pdf
Mushenge is clearly shown with a "bigger" circle than that for "smaller" towns and villages -i.e it is reasonably significant. If you zoom and trace its location in relation to nearby places such as Koshi, Mingetshi and Yeke and then do the same on Google it is clear I think that the town I have identified must be Mushenge. In particular - Domiongo on the "main" road to the SW provides a clear orientation and a "road" leading NE towards Mushenge!

Amazing to see just how undeveloped such areas of DRC are!

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