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Author jonathanfr
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#31 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 14:00 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
meltwaterfalls:
This is the current list of sites missing co-ordinates

2 others added in the meantime:
"Hôpital Royal de la Santa Cruz" (Granada)
"Ruta Colombina" (Canary)
and "Zone Carsiche: Risorgenze del Timavo" become "Zone Carsiche: risorgenza del Timavo e Grotta Gigante"

Author Solivagant
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#32 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 14:05 
Pakistan Asia Indus Dolphin Reserve 28.422023, 69.710059
Pakistan Asia Kirthar NP 25.688589, 67.523509
Pakistan Asia Lal Sohanra NP 29.316148, 71.903015
Pakistan Asia Rock Carvings at Hunza, Gilgit, Chilas 35.418463, 74.127460

Author Solivagant
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#33 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 15:00 
Cote d'Ivoire next for me -let me know if anyone else is doing it!

Côte d'Ivoire Africa Koni 9.586959, -5.687099
Côte d'Ivoire Africa Soukala Lobi 9.268220, -2.999566
Côte d'Ivoire Africa Tiagba village 5.261735, -4.722689

It might be worth recording what each of these is
Koni is a village of traditional Iron workers - http://www.tripafrique.com/blog/koni/ . Situated "15kms from Korhogo" (NW on B314)
Soukala Lobi are traditional houses/compounds of the Lobi people - http://aip.ci/cote-divoire-a-la-decouverte-du-soukala-habitat-traditionnel-en-pays-lo bi-reportage/ I have chosen the central town of the area in which they are situated (115 of them) - Bouna
Tiagba Village -a lake/lagoon side village (comparable with Ganvie and Nzulezu?)

Author Solivagant
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#34 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 15:17 
Jamaica next
Jamaica North America Head Quarters House Kingston 17.973664, -76.790728
Jamaica North America Historical Zone of Falmouth 18.492353, -77.652630
Jamaica North America Mason River Botanical station 18.199119, -77.260698
Jamaica North America Spanish Town 17.997279, -76.954036
Jamaica North America White Marl Arawak Arch site 17.997807, -76.911121

Author Solivagant
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#35 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 15:57 | Edited by: Solivagant 
On to India
India Asia Agra - I'timad-ud-Daulah tomb 27.192972, 78.030972
India Asia Akbar's Tomb, Sikandara 27.220487, 77.950322
India Asia Bhitarkanika Conservation Area 20.722716, 86.862979
India Asia Churchgate - Extension to Mumbai CST 18.936266, 72.827060
India Asia Gir Wildlife Sanctuary 21.125716, 70.823843
India Asia Gol Gumbad Bijapur Karnataka 16.830365, 75.736073

India Asia Group of monuments at Malda
Gour 24.883046, 88.128011
Adina/Pandua 25.152346, 88.164700

India Asia Gwalior - Nan Mandir + Teli-ka-mandir
Teli-ka-mandir 26.220289, 78.165673
Man Mandir (Fort palace) 26.230227, 78.169022

India Asia Hazarduari palace 24.186336, 88.268692
India Asia Hemis Gompa 33.912693, 77.702956
India Asia Kalibangan 29.474048, 74.129624
India Asia Karla Caves 18.783301, 73.470335
India Asia Khana NP 22.334693, 80.611496
India Asia Martand Temple 33.745676, 75.220407
India Asia Mt Abu 24.600894, 72.708390
India Asia Oak Grove School 30.422479, 78.087553
India Asia Ranthamobre NP 26.017166, 76.502341

India Asia The Maharaja Railways of India
Gwalior Light Railway 26.217017, 78.183127

India Asia Udiagiri and Khandagiri Caves
Udiagiri Caves 20.262791, 85.785968
Khandagiri Caves 20.262560, 85.784651

Notes
The Maharaja Railways of India
As far as I can see the intention was only (at least at first e.g like the mountain Railways WHS) to nominate one such railway - the Gwalior Light Railway (GLR). See - http://www.tourtravelcompanies.com/the-maharaja-railways-of-india/
There were other "Maharaja Railways" - these were railways built by Indian Maharajas without British involvement. These included the Gaekwad Baroda State Railway, the Nizam's Guaranteed State Railways, the Mysore Railway
I have chosen as a location only Gwalior Junction - one end of the GLR

Author vantcj1
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#36 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 17:47 
meltwaterfalls:
This is the current list of sites missing co-ordinates

Hi, here I send the coordinates for Costa Rican former TL Sites. It took a time because I had never generated coordinates in decimal format:

Church of Nicoya: 10.1444776497, -85.4538444692
Church of Orosi: 9.7974345, -83.85538
National Archaeological Park of Guayabo de Turrialba: 9.972703, -83.690736
National Monument, San José: 9.934678, -84.070817
National Theatre, San José: 9.933153, -84.077003
Región Ferroviaria, San José-Limón starting point (San José): 9.934672, -84.068883
Región Ferroviaria, San José-Limón end point (Limón): 9.991772, -83.025764
Ruins of Ujarrás: 9.827278, -83.836186
Santa Rosa Historic Mansion: 10.833897, -85.612364

Author meltwaterfalls
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#37 | Posted: 5 Jun 2018 18:10 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
I've added all those one in now, thanks and I have updated the missing lists on the previous page.

Current map

Well done vantcj1, it looks like you got the hang of the decimal co-ordinates, thank you.

One quick note: Sale with the Muslim necropolis of Chellah, the Chellah part is inscribed as part of the Rabat WHS, too tired to work out what category that should go into, just thought I would flag it up.

Author Colvin
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#38 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 00:12 
meltwaterfalls:
I'm going to have a break for a little while so if anyone else wan't to pick some up then jump in

I closed out Brazil and South Africa tonight for your list. I may be able to pick up a couple smaller countries once the weekend comes around, but I don't think I'll be tackling Spain or Italy. Great job with your map!

Author Solivagant
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#39 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 02:53 | Edited by: Solivagant 
vantcj1:
I had never generated coordinates in decimal format:

For your possible future use vantcj!!
We found out quite early in all the work on WHS maps that, possibly, the easiest way to get decimal coordinates is, using Google Maps - either using the "pin marker" placed by Google Maps following a "search" or simply by moving the map/cursor to a point you want. Then "right click" on either the pointer or the chosen point. You will then get a "drop down" - choose "Whats Here", click on that and there are the coordinates in decimal format - no "conversion" necessary!!
Entering non decimal coordinates into Google maps as a search term is problematical as it is very "picky" about the formats it will accept! Those which appear in UNESCO WHS/TWHS descriptions are often unacceptable -varying it seems according to the format adopted by the nominating country. However if you do have degrees, minutes etc from somewhere it is worth trying E.g If I look at the location for La Manga in Antequera Dolmens it is shown by UNESCO as "N37 1 30 W4 32 40".
Put this in as a search term to Google Maps and you will be lucky!!! Choose the exact point you want to record (the UNESCO coordinates are often not particularly accurate) as per the procedure above and you have the Decimal coordinates without any need to convert!

Author meltwaterfalls
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#40 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 03:14 
Thanks Colvin, and all updated now.

Author Solivagant
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#41 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 04:16 
Togo Africa Bandjeli and Nagbani

These are both yet more West African villages associated with Ironmaking - old Clay Blast Furnaces seem to be the "big" thing in these cases
Unfortunately I cannot find Nagbani - other than that it is "situated 5kms from Bassar" - I have tried looking 5kms N, E, S and West! Sso I have used Bassar itself

Bandjeli 9.421956, 0.623720
Nagbani (Bassar) 9.261375, 0.778885

Author Solivagant
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#42 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 04:42 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Cameroon Africa Cases-obus de Karsiki

The "Cases-Obus" are quite easy to find but I could find NO reference to "Karsiki". Using my copy of Bradt Cameroon I have discovered that one of the tribes of N Cameroon is called "Kapsiki" - clearly there has been a spelling mistake either by us or by UNESCO. "Karsiki" isn't given as an alternative spelling in Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsiki_people
And they do/did have "Cases- Obus" - https://www.ebay.it/itm/Cameroun-case-obus-Rhumsiki-Afrique-Kapsiki-CIRCA-1950-tirage -argentique-/290836978620
The Kapsiki are centred around the town of Rhumsiki

Unfortunately - so do another group called the Musgum/Mousgoum - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musgum_mud_huts
And it would seem that, nowadays the Mousgoum Cases-Obus are more famous/visited than those of the Kapsiki!!
E.g https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jmZADwAAQBAJ&pg=PT336&lpg=PT336&dq=kapsiki+cases+ obus&source=bl&ots=msQSL4r2Uj&sig=FBh-yKQQZAsE2TrBmF7G4GS0_KE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj pvvP01L7bAhXEDsAKHbOuBKEQ6AEIhwEwDg#v=onepage&q=kapsiki%20cases%20obus&f=false
The Mousgoum heartland is near Lake Maga -e.g the villages of Maga and Pouss. These are around 250kms by road EAST of Rhumsiki.

So - where to place this Former T List site - in the land of the Kapsiki or the land of the Mousgoum??? Any views??

Author Solivagant
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#43 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 04:56 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Chad Africa Moundang traditional houses
Coincidentally - next in our alphabetic list by country "Chad" follows "Cameroon" and its Former T List entry is both situated close to the Chad/Cameroon border and is another former of tribal indigenous architecture from the area. Indeed the Moundang live on both sides of the border - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moundang_(peuple)

In Chad the centre of the Moundang area seems to be the city of Lere. This article is primarily about the King's Palace but also refers to the houses of non royals "Moundang from Lere live in compound that vary in dimensions. Each compound has many households where live polygamists. Most of time the owners of the households in a compound are brothers. Until 1930s, moundang were living in a fortified type of house built in a special style: Yan Zadeure. The coalescent fortress forming a whole village where were living thousands and thousands of inhabitants were built using earth mounds."

So - I have chosen Lere for the coordinates -
Chad Africa Moundang traditional houses 9.658880, 14.225050

Author Assif
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#44 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 05:26 
Solivagant:
in the land of the Kapsiki or the land of the Mousgoum???

I would go with the Kapsiki as the name suggests.

Author Assif
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#45 | Posted: 6 Jun 2018 05:27 
meltwaterfalls:
too tired to work out what category that should go into, just thought I would flag it up.

It should be erased as a FTWHS. It already appears in the history of the Rabat WHS. Rabat should be added to the connection Extended from a smaller TWHS.

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