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Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#46 | Posted: 3 Jun 2018 13:41 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Solivagant, can we agree that our study has come to an end and that we can suggest to Els that the sites to be added to "Former T List":

The Ancient Town of Tongli
The Ancient Venetian Township in the South of Yangtze River - Nanxun
Basilique de Saint Jean [Palencia]
Cathédrale de l'Annonciation [Grenade]
Ensemble historique du bourg de Betancuria
La villa de Pedraza, Segovia
Nord-ouest de l' Ile de Ténériffe
Nuevo Baztán, Madrid
Paisajes y Rutas del Quijote, Castilla-La Mancha
Patrimonio Cultural Judío, Castilla-La Mancha
Salines de San Fernando
Santuario de Loyola, Azpeitia-Gipuzkoa
Denali National Park
Frank Lloyd Wright Home and Studio
Gates of the Artic National Park
Katmai National Park
Trinity Site

The initial list was long at the beginning but it was necessary I think to dust this and we can satisfy ourselves of our 17 finds.

I would like to finally suggest removing from our former tentative list the following sites that are all listed as World Heritage:

San Isidoro de Leon
Las Huelgas
Miraflores (Carthusian)
VIKING MONUMENTS AND SITES / Birka and Hovgården
Laetoli Site

Thanks to you and to Assif too, good job.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#47 | Posted: 3 Jun 2018 13:56 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
Solivagant, can we agree that our study has come to an end and that we can suggest to Els that the sites to be added to "Former T List":

Yes. It was worth doing I think - I felt I have learned a bit!

Author Assif
Partaker
#48 | Posted: 3 Jun 2018 14:50 | Edited by: Assif 
Also add to former TWHS:

Parc National d'Ordesa - Viñamala
Parco nazionale della Calabria

Add to histories:

Mont Perdu - Partially includes Parc National d'Ordesa - Viñamala (also connection Reduced TWHS)
Sila NP - reduced from Parco Nazionale della Calabria
Bulwarked fortifications - includes Conjunto fortificado de Pamplona
Dong Villages - includes Chengyang Yongji Bridge
Mining tradition - includes Paisaje Minero de la Sierra de Cartagena
Joseon - includes Tomb of King Munyong (also connection Extended TWHS)

jonathanfr and Solivagant - Thanks for the interesting project. It sure filled my weekend.

Author elsslots
Admin
#49 | Posted: 3 Jun 2018 16:56 
Thanks guys! I was away for the weekend, but will add them tomorrow or so

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#50 | Posted: 3 Jun 2018 18:07 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Solivagant:
Hôpital Royal de la Santa Cruz – Included in Toledo

In fact this hospital is in Granada and not in Toledo.
http://www.senado.es/pdf/legis6/senado/bocg/I0496.PDF

According to the same source, Ruta Colombina is in the Canary Islands and not in Huelva. The main site of this road is surely Casa de Colón (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria).

So we can consider we have a 18th and 19th site on our list.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#51 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 01:42 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
Ruta Colombina is in the Canary Islands and not in Huelva

There is a "Ruta Colombina" in Huelva which forms the basis for the current T List site of "Monastery of Santa María de La Rábida and the Columbus Memorial Places in Huelva". I have recently returned from it!
See - - http://www.huelvatour.com/ruta-colombina.htm

In addition to the Gran Canaria Colombus "house", La Gomera (Canaries) also has a house considered to have been used by him and some articles refer to it as being on the "Route of Colombus" but meaning in this case HIS actual route rather than a tourist route - see the wording of this link (and the contents of the article)- http://www.herreracasado.com/1988/07/01/por-la-ruta-colombina-del-descubrimiento-la-g omera-isla-colombina/
But I can't find anything describing a genuine "Ruta" on the Canaries and the sites in/around Huelva still seem "more likely" to me as the current "manifestation" of this T List site

Similarly there is a Hospital Real de Sta Cruz in Toledo. See our history of the Toldeo site here - https://www.worldheritagesite.org/list/Toledo
(Els/Assif do you understand/remember the origin of this comment in our history of the Toledo site - I can't trace it?? Perhaps it is incorrect? It isn't exactly "logical" or supported by early UNESCO documentation etc)
But I agree that the Granada example seems more liikely - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Real_de_Granada

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#52 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 05:15 
Solivagant:
But I can't find anything describing a genuine "Ruta" on the Canaries and the sites in/around Huelva still seem "more likely" to me as the current "manifestation" of this T List site

Ok but in the link page 20, it's registred under Canarias :

http://www.senado.es/pdf/legis6/senado/bocg/I0496.PDF

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#53 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 07:43 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
Ok but in the link page 20

Interesting Document - I hadn't really read it when you linked to it before as you didn't indicate that the "relevant" info was down in an Annex on pages 19ff and I gave up trying to understand it before then! It certainly seems clear that it is referring to a site on the Canaries!

I also noticed these entries among the list
CEUTA
LISTA ACTUAL=NUEVAS PROPUESTAS ACEPTADAS
Febrero de 1998
1. Conjunto monumental de las Murallas Reales de la
Ciudad de Ceuta

and
MELILLA
LISTA ACTUAL=NUEVAS PROPUESTAS ACEPTADAS
Febrero de 1998
1. Conjunto histórico y antropológico de Melilla

Did we have these in any of our lists????

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#54 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 08:26 
Solivagant:
Did we have these in any of our lists????

I don't see Ceuta and Melilla in our lists.
Perhaps these sites have just been considered by the State Party without transforging the test until appearing on an official UNESCO document.

Author elsslots
Admin
#55 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 11:50 | Edited by: elsslots 
jonathanfr:
The Ancient Venetian Township in the South of Yangtze River - Nanxun

What are the years for this? Same as Tongli?

And for this?
jonathanfr:
Frank Lloyd Wright Home and Studio


Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#56 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 12:02 
They appear in this source of 2002 but I can't say the years of first appearance and the years of disappearance
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0012/001286/128698e.pdf

Author Assif
Partaker
#57 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 13:22 
Assif:
jonathanfr:
It's not the same "Santa Maria", here it's propably "Santa María la Real de Nájera"

Then it is a part of the Columbus TWHS.

Not Columbus, but La Rioja wine CL.

Author Assif
Partaker
#58 | Posted: 4 Jun 2018 13:40 
elsslots:
jonathanfr:
The Ancient Venetian Township in the South of Yangtze River - Nanxun

What are the years for this? Same as Tongli?

And for this?
jonathanfr:
Frank Lloyd Wright Home and Studio

Nanxun: 2001

Frank Lloyd home and studio: 1995

Author Jakob
Partaker
#59 | Posted: 1 Jul 2018 01:30 
Hidden Christian Sites in the Nagasaki Region:

These two components do not seem to be part of the worldheritage which was inscribed yesterday. Should they be treated as ftwhs?
Hinoe Castle remains and Tabira Church. Another 15 sites were withdrawn already a few years ago. How do we record these changes?
I think they should be treated as FTWHS.

Author Assif
Partaker
#60 | Posted: 1 Jul 2018 15:31 
Jakob:
I think they should be treated as FTWHS.

So far we haven't done so unless the WHS title has changed to exclude these components. They are documented under the connection Reduced from a broader TWHS.

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