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Archived Tentative Lists

Author KSTraveler
#1 | Posted: 9 Dec 2012 13:35 
Is there any archive of sites that have been removed from the current listing of the tentative list? If so, can anyone provide a link to this archive?

Author elsslots
#2 | Posted: 9 Dec 2012 13:50 
I don't know of an official archive. To be honest, the history of the tentative list is sketchy. Sites get renominated over and over again under different names, or sometimes under the same name but with a new number ID.

I've tried to keep up with the changes as best as I could, see the part "sites that have been nominated in the past" on each country page of this website, for example:

Author winterkjm
#3 | Posted: 9 Dec 2012 14:58 
Perhaps this is something we can update, much like the "official" websites.

I have the full list (64) sites that were part of the former tentative list of the United States.

Author Solivagant
#4 | Posted: 9 Dec 2012 15:26 | Edited by: Solivagant 
"sites that have been nominated in the past

It occurs to me that this single category actually contains 2 different ones
a. Sites which have been nominated unsuccessfully in the past (but are no longer on the T List)
b. Sites which were once on the T List (but were never even nominated and are no longer on the T List)

We did a pretty thorough trawl through the minutes of every WHC to cover Category a. and have probably captured most of these since the records of nominations and decisions are likely to be complete.
The records for sites which never even got nominated before being removed from the T List is probably less complete as I can't remember us ever doing a year by year check of T List additions from the earliest years - and indeed I am not sure that the minutes list these comprehensively.

Out of interest, I have just looked at the 1985 WHC minutes and found the following T List entries which are not on the current T List but never got nominated and aren't on our list of "Sites which have been nominated in the past" either. I have tried to avoid listing sites which have been included within other sites since that date (but may not have been totally accurate because of lack of knowledge and naming changes!)
Clearly many of these proposals represent a very early "idea" of what WHS was going to be and have been somewhat overtaken by the passage of time - but are, none the less, interesting - in part because of that. What we don't know is when they got removed from each country's T List - we could no doubt guess if we knew the renewal dates. A similar trawl through the documents of other early WHCs seems likely to identify yet more "forgotten gems" which have never made it and possibly never will!!

GERMANY (1984 proposals)
Maria laach Abbey
Brunswick - Lion Monument
Freiburg Minster
Eberbach Monastery
Gelnhausen Palace
Eltz Castle
Luneberg Town Hall
Berlin Spandau citadel
Augsberg Town Hall
Weingarten Monastery
Ottobeuren Monastery
Weltenburg Monastery and danube valley
Vierzehnheiligen, Pilgrimage Church and River Main Valley
Banz, Benedictine Monastery and River Main Valley
Pommersfelden, Palace
Nymphenburg Palace
Kassel, Wilhelmshohe Palace
Bayreuth, Festspielhaus
Wallhalla monument
Augsburg, Maximilianstrasse with the Cathedral, City Hall and Church of SS. Ulrich and Afra
Munich, Ludwigstrasse and Odeonsplatz with the Residence, Hall of Generals (Feldherrenhalle) and Theatine Church
Saarbrucken, Ludwigsplatz
Berlin, Pfauen Island (& nature reserve), KleinGiienicke Palace 7 Gardens, & Nikolskoe

PORTUGAL 1984 Proposals
Domus Municipalis, Braganza;
Castle of Vila Vicosa;

SPAIN 1984 Proposals
Taulas, talayots and navetas in Minorca, Balearic Islands
San Juan de Banos Visigothic Church
Silos Abbey (Cluniac)
Miraflores Monastery Burgos
Coca Castle (Mudejar)
Bellver Castle (Gothic)
Exchange of Valencia
Santa Cruz Hospital, Granada
Almagro Open-Air Theatre
Great Reception Room of the Prado, Museum of Natural Sciences and the Botanic Garden, Madrid
Arcos de la Frontera, Cadiz
Miranda del Castanar, Salamanca
Morella, Castellon
Santillana del Mar, Cantabria

Author KSTraveler
#5 | Posted: 9 Dec 2012 17:54 
Since all tentative list sites have to be registered with UNESCO, I would be almost positive that they have all of the tentative list sites both past and present archived either on paper or electronically. I wonder if an individual contacted UNESCO requesting information on this issue if UNESCO would provide information.

Author Solivagant
#6 | Posted: 10 Dec 2012 00:12 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Hi KSTraveler,
Back in the 1980s the "UNESCO world" was very different
a. Its computer systems were far less comprehensive - documents were primarily produced on paper and were not recorded electronically. What you see of such papers today have been scanned and not everything is available/searchable
b. Its systems and procedures were in an early stage of evolution - the T List system was very much a "feel as you go" approach
c. It was less "open". Last year's WHC was a high water mark in openness with its Webcast of events. Lodged documents weren't always publicised automatically

Nevertheless, as I showed with the above information on the T Lists of Germany, Peru and Spain from the 1985 WHC there is a lot on the Web site from old scanned documents but it isn't easily accessible and requires time to be spent on searching for it! Past experience has shown that individual requests direct to UNESCO don't get very far (hardly surprising really I guess)! Would you like to take on searching across a few more of the early years? Go to the UNESCO Web site ---- "About World Heritage" -------"Sessions" and choose some early years to see what is publicly available. Let us know which years you choose in order to avoid double work!

Author Assif
#7 | Posted: 10 Dec 2012 02:30 
Valencia exchange and Berlin Pfaueninsel and Glienicke did get inscribed.

Author meltwaterfalls
#8 | Posted: 11 Dec 2012 04:46 
Has anyone ever come across Quarry Bank Mill/ Styal in England being put on a tentative list (or even near one) at any stage?

I stumbled across a claim that it was considered but as it was already well looked after by the National Trust they decided not to pursue WH listing. It could well be conceivable that back in the early days that is how many in the UK viewed the list, but just wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

Author Solivagant
#9 | Posted: 11 Dec 2012 08:52 
Has anyone ever come across Quarry Bank Mill/ Styal in England being put on a tentative list (or even near one) at any stage?

I can only assume that it might (once) have been considered for being part of the Manchester Site which was put on the 1999 T List for its cotton and canals (but wasn't proposed again for the latest UK T List) - Quarry Bank Mill is situated out near Manchester Airport. The entry only mentioned Manchester plus Ancoats, Castlefield and Worsley - with the Canal system

Author Assif
#10 | Posted: 16 Dec 2012 16:36 
Santa Cruz Hospital is in Toledo I think, not Granada. It is included in the nomination of Toledo.
Wilhelmshoehe is on the current German T-list for its water features. I think the earlier proposal included the them too but also the palace which isn't included in the current proposal.

Author Solivagant
#11 | Posted: 17 Dec 2012 04:53 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Santa Cruz Hospital is in Toledo I think, not Granada.

You are right - but I have checked the details of Spain's 1984 T List and it defintiely specifies "Granada"!!

I have also looked at a few more very early T Lists from the 1984 WHC for sites which have disappeared (Like the lists from Germany, Spain etc discussed at the 1985 WHC, these T Lists are also dated 1984 but must have been submitted early enough to get discussed at the 1984 WHC). Again please make due allowance for changes of names and lack of knowledge about which sites have been subsumed within others - either as "inscribed" or as "current T List"

Jordan (Feb 84 -just 6 sites of which only the following 2 don't seem to have been inscribed or carried forward. The orignal list did NOT include Wadi rum)
Umm Qays (Gerada)

Turkey (Jun 84 -an absolutely enormous list of 38 cultural sites and 18 natural. Most of the Natural ones seem to have died. Unfortunately it has been scanned in a way which isn't cut and pasteable but i have done my best to copy the difficult to read Turkish names!!)
1 Kultepe (Kanesh) - Trade colony
2 Bogazkoy
3 Phrygian rock
4 Old city of Van and Lake Van - Samran canal
5 Sardis Bin Tepe
6 Lycian rock cut tombs in Myra/Limyra
7 Apollo Temple Didyma
8 Halikarnassos
9 Assos - Hellenistic city
10 Priene - Hellenistic
11 Aspandos theatre
12 Kula-a ottoman town near Manisa

1 Gallipoli Peninsular Historical Natural Park
2 Kuskenetti NP
3 Sultan Sasligh Waterfowl area
4 Beydaglari Seashore NP
5 Dilek peninsular NP
6 Marmaris NP
7 Koyceglis Nature Res
8 Koprulu Kanyon NP
9. Obruk Maar and Travertine
10 Egridir Nature res
11 Birecik Bald ibis res
12 Kekova
13 Lake tuz salt lake
14 Yedigoller NP
15. Salhili fossil human foot traces
16 Guven fish and insect fossils
17 Crater of Namrut
18 Cilo salt mountains

Author Solivagant
#12 | Posted: 17 Dec 2012 11:24 | Edited by: Solivagant 
I have now worked my way through the T Lists submitted at the 1986 WHC.
The following represents my best attempt at listing sites on those T Lists which never got inscribed nor are on current T Lists (and weren't submitted and rejected). So the T Lists described at the 1984, 1985 and 1986 WHCs have all been reviewed now for such sites and, as far as I can see, there was nothing earlier than 84 in the WHC documents

Spain (additional to earlier T List)
Monastery of Nuestra Senora de La Rabida and sites associated with Columbus (Palos de la Frontera, Huelva)

Budapest A part of the Ghetto with 4 synagogues (I don't think this has ever been included in the various parts of the Budapest inscription)

Santorini (presumably the Minoan site of Akrotiri) and the villages of Oia and Fira
Lindos (Rhodes)
Corinth (inc Acrocorinth)
Catacombs of Milos
Chios (Anavatos)
Nafplio town/fortification and neoclassical centre
Arta Bridge
Merkaba Church
Athens Neoclassic centre
Syros - Ano Syros and Ermoupoli)

Gir NP
Kanha NP
Ranthambore NP

Archaeological zone of Bonampak
Town of San Cristobal de las Casas
Archaeological zone of Cacaxtla
Paleontolgical sites of Pie de Vaca (Puebla)
Desert Zone of Chihuahua
National park of Campeche

Peel Castle Isle of Man
Chatsworth House
Craigleash Isle of Man

Brijuni NP (Croatia)
Kornati NP (Croatia)
Kopacki Rit Park (Croatia)

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