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Author clyde
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#106 | Posted: 6 Jul 2018 15:04 
Not sure where to post this but it is related to two different connections. Drottningsholm Theatre has faux marble while the land uplift phenomenon of the high coast/kvarken should be included under tectonics

Author Assif
Partaker
#107 | Posted: 6 Jul 2018 17:28 
Solivagant:
Fray Bentos - I am not sure. Your view??

I would say yes: it was both contemporary with the rest of the complex and crucial to its functionality. Without it Fray Bentos wouldn't have become so famous.

Author Solivagant
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#108 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 00:51 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Solivagant:
UNAM apparently has 32 Laboratories .
How would you see them?
My view would be - not relevant. UNAM was inscribed primarily for its architecture - unless an important/significant example relating to a particular Laboratory can be found .

I remembered this overnight!
"Pabellón de Rayos Cósmicos" - by Candela at UNAM. We already have it "connected" under Hyperoloid Structures but its purpose was as a Cosmic Ray Laboratory - http://artmuseum.princeton.edu/legacy-projects/Candela/cosmicrays.html

Author elsslots
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#109 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 02:51 
clyde:
Drottningsholm Theatre has faux marble while the land uplift phenomenon of the high coast/kvarken should be included under tectonics

Added!

Author elsslots
Admin
#110 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 03:07 
Assif:
Solivagant:
Fray Bentos - I am not sure. Your view??

I would say yes: it was both contemporary with the rest of the complex and crucial to its functionality. Without it Fray Bentos wouldn't have become so famous.

I am also not so sure about this one (have added the others). It is not mentioned in the ICOMOS evaluation. The OUV of the site is much about its industrial production processes (and the immigration / exchange of values aspect).

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#111 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 03:28 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
clyde:
Drottningsholm Theatre has faux marble while the land uplift phenomenon of the high coast/kvarken should be included under tectonics

Added!

Re "Land Uplift" - if we are going to add Kvarken to "Tectonic Processes" then why shouldn't we add all the other sites already connected to "Isostatic Rebound"?? - https://www.worldheritagesite.org/connection/Isostatic+Rebound

"Tectonic Processes" is an enormously large subject and covers a vast area of Geological sites - probably most of them except those inscribed for more "short term" (in Geological time) "Geomorphological" reasons and a few other very specialised geological aspects. Tectonic movements are, after all the main drivers of this Earth's geological development - . Volcanism, Orogeny (Mountain Building), Faulting, etc etc are ALL "Tectonic processes"! I am not even really sure that Isostatic Rebound is significant among these - ok it occurs because of the "flexibility" of the lithosphere - but isn't really related to large scale "movement" of the Earth's "plates" (see at end of this post!). The Geological definition of "Tectonics" (from Greek = Builder) is "the process that controls the structure and properties of the Earth's crust and its evolution through time. In particular, it describes the processes of mountain building, the growth and behavior of the strong, old cores of continents known as cratons, and the ways in which the relatively rigid plates that constitute the Earth's outer shell interact with each other."
"Plate Tectonics" is just one such process but, normally the word "Tectonics" relates to the large scale movements of the earths "plates" and resultant effects. I don't see that "Isostatic Rebound" or "uplift" fits that. And interestingly this is the ONLY site so far connected which does NOT use the word "Tectonic" anywhere in its criteria.
I would suggest that we limit Connections under this to those where the word "Tectonic" is mentioned in the Criteria in order to avoid having to include many many Geological sites under it (including all the other Isostatic ones!!) The Himalayan sites for instance would seem to have rather more to do with "Tectonics" than does Kvarken.

I also point to the Wiki definition of "Tectonic Uplift - "Tectonic uplift is the portion of the total geologic uplift of the mean Earth surface that is not attributable to an isostatic response to unloading." i.e "Isostatic uplift" is differentiated from "Tectonic uplift" - the former is caused by unloading - the latter by plate movements.

I am sorry i seem to be questioning rather a lot of "connections" recently - it isn't because I am being "awkward" but because if it is worth doing it is worth getting "right"!

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#112 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 03:52 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
Assif:
Solivagant:
Fray Bentos - I am not sure. Your view??

I would say yes: it was both contemporary with the rest of the complex and crucial to its functionality. Without it Fray Bentos wouldn't have become so famous.

I am also not so sure about this one (have added the others). It is not mentioned in the ICOMOS evaluation. The OUV of the site is much about its industrial production processes (and the immigration / exchange of values aspect).

Assif's suggestion has led me to investigate the matter further (which is what these debates are surely all about!!!)
This has involved downloading the massive Nomination File (could be the largest ever in relation to area of inscribed WHS??).
The Laboratory gets a reasonable number of references.
I also found this short article - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280879575_Justus_von_Liebig_in_Uruguay_His_L ast_ten_years_of_research
I quote from it
"Liebig devoted the last 10 years of his research (1863-1873) to promote innovations and to deepen his studies on the extract of meat and the artificial fertilizers that were produced in LEMCO." Interestingly a major result of Liebig's work was Fertiliser created from the vast amount of waste produced by the Meat processing factory!
Liebig "devoted himself entirely to LEMCO. He was the scientific director of all the laboratories in LEMCO until his death and he created, perhaps without noticing it, a new kind of laboratory, and his second institutional proposal: the laboratories of Research & Development. The chemical laboratory in Fray Bentos, Río Negro, Uruguay, is particularly special since it is a Research and Development Laboratory and not an Academic Laboratory. In short, this means that the innovation introduced by Liebig´s chemical laboratories NOT ONLY CONCERNS THE ACADEMIC AND RESEARCH LABORATORIES (BILDUNG UND FORSCHUNG) BUT ALSO THE LABORATORIES OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT."

I note that Uruguay originally proposed Fray Bentos also under Crit vi - relating to its research. Icomos felt that the results were not significant enough to be inscribed on it, but this indicates, as Assif says, that the Lab there wasn't just another run of the mill "testing facility". Uruguay quit while it was ahead and didn't argue about losing crit vi - but my feeling is that the ICOMOS conclusion on this reflects its rather academic worldview - practical applied research doesn't spark its interest much!!!
The Nomination files describes the work done to try to preserve and renovate the labs- this has included collecting together Liebig's books and using purchase documentation to try to re-create it as a museum as it might have been.
I am convinced it justifies this "Connection"!! Assif has raised an interesting aspect of this WHS.

Author elsslots
Admin
#113 | Posted: 7 Jul 2018 04:03 
Solivagant:
I am sorry i seem to be questioning rather a lot of "connections" recently - it isn't because I am being "awkward" but because if it is worth doing it is worth getting "right"!

True! It is sometimes hard to see at first sight.

Author Assif
Partaker
#114 | Posted: 19 Jul 2018 18:37 
Postponed sites: Mumbai, Ivrea, ??

Author clyde
Partaker
#115 | Posted: 20 Jul 2018 02:26 
Assif
Naumburg?

Author elsslots
Admin
#116 | Posted: 20 Jul 2018 03:59 
Assif:
Postponed sites: Mumbai, Ivrea, ??

Plus Susa and Ahwar , according to the 'official' status updates as recorded in our database

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