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Author elsslots
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#1 | Posted: 16 May 2008 12:47 | Edited by: elsslots 
The following suggestions need a third WHS to complete the connection:
- Tells: Biblical Tells, Troy and .....
- Elbe: Dresden Elbe Valley, Garden Kingdom Dessau-Wörlitz and ... (I have to delete Bauhaus and Wittenberg as the Elbe is not within the boundaries of the WHS)
- Darius I (the Great) of Persia: Persepolis, Bisotun and .....


If you know of a third site to make one of these connections complete, please reply!

Author meltwaterfalls
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#2 | Posted: 19 May 2008 12:48 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
I don't think there is one more on the Elbe (Labe),
Wittenberg would be the closest but the site there is very specific so yep doesn't count
The only other one that would be close would be Kutna Hora but it is about 7km out unfortunatly,
So I think that one is a write off unless the Office district of Hamburg moves from the Tentative list to the full list.

Author Assif
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#3 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 02:20 
Qalat el-Bahrain is a tell.

Author Solivagant
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#4 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 03:25 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Assif is certainly correct re Qalat el-Bahrain being a "Tell" but is Troy??

Most archaeological sites worldwide which were inhabited over many centuries/millienia will finish up being on a "mound" which contains the detritus of that long period of human occupation - mainly the remains of building materials and human "waste". (As I understand it a "mound" which is purely a burial mound is not a "Tell")
But when is the word "Tell" applied to such mounds? As Wiki says
a. the word has Arabic/Hebrew roots - so should it not really only be applied to sites where those languages are used?
b Turkish (Troy being in Turkey) has its own words for such mounds - e.g. "höyük" (see my proposal of Çatalhöyük for the "best 50 missing").
The above would not apply of course IF the word has been taken as the generic for use in describing all such mounds (or at least from a wider geographic area) by the "archaeological profession".

We are back really with the same problem I had about "Catacombs", "Hypogea" etc. We decided in that case that, if it was called a "catacomb", then it was a "catacomb"! I have never seen Troy described as a "Tell". Has anyone ever seen it so called?

Author Solivagant
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#5 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 04:10 | Edited by: Solivagant 
PS.I found this on the Web which does use the word "Tell" generically for Troy.
The source is the University of Cincinnati so it should be reliable

http://www.cerhas.uc.edu/troy/

A potential problem now is how many other inscribed archaeological sites which are not set in Arabic/Hebrew speaking areas might archaeologists ALSO assign the generic term "Tell" to? Is Nisa a "Tell" for instance? I quote from UNESCO's own news release of Jun 28 2007 when Nisa was inscribed:- "Old Nisa is a 14-ha tell shaped like an irregular pentagon and surrounded by a high defensive earth rampart with more than 40 rectangular towers....."

Or this quote about Ashur (which is of course in an Arabic speaking area!) in
http://www.assur.de/
"He opened a deep sounding east of the Ishtar temple. In the years of 1889 and 1990 Barthel Hrouda (University of Munich) led expeditions in Ashur. The western part of the tell got explored by magnetometic prospection."

I wonder how many others we can find! You almost begin to wonder whether, if all that the word "Tell" is telling us is that the site is a ruined Middle Eastern city whether it is worth a "Connection" of that name?

Author Solivagant
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#6 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 10:40 
PPS
Quote from the 1980 ICOMOS Evaluation of Aleppo
"certain archaeological sites such as the mound of Al-Aquabah (which probably constitues the Tel of ancient Aleb) are menaced"
We should find more!

Author Assif
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#7 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 11:14 
A tell is certainly used in archaeology as a generic term regardless of its etymological Semitic origin. Tells are found throughout the world. Tell, however, doesn'ty simply mean an old town. It is important for a tell to be a place of human habitation for a long period of time during which the place has been inhabited over and over again so that it now consists of chronological layers. And of course tells are not inhabited anymore (so Vienna or Rome don't qualify...). Troy is therefore a genuine tell. I don't know Aleppo, Ashur and Nisa specifically, however, it makes sense they are tells since they were inhabited for a very long time before they were abandoned. In addition they persisted in cultured in which such a form of human settlement (on the remains of a former one) was customary.

Author elsslots
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#8 | Posted: 7 Jul 2008 12:54 
I've implemented the new "Tell"-connection and thrown them all in!

Author Assif
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#9 | Posted: 11 Feb 2009 17:12 
Maybe someone could help me out with my proposals and comlete them into a connection:

Identified with a significant theory: Red Square - Marxism, Galapagos - Darwinism, ?

Bilingualism: Petra - a bilingual inscription in Greek/Aramean, Strassburg - historical bilingual street names in German/French, ?

Author Assif
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#10 | Posted: 11 Feb 2009 19:44 
I found out Bisutun is trilingual - Elamite, Akkadian and Persian as well as
Xanthos - Lycian, Aramaic and Greek

We can actually connect them as 'multilingual inscriptions' and omit Strassburg.

I still need some help for the the other suggestion.

Author Solivagant
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#11 | Posted: 12 Feb 2009 11:57 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Palmyra is another site containing Bilingual inscriptions.
The most famous "The Tariff of Palmyra" now resides in the Hermitage but there are others still in situ e.g. The Temple of Baal Shamin has a column from AD131 "In Greek and Palmyrene (Aramaic) that praises the Secretary of the city for his generosity during the visit of the "Divine Hadrian" and for footing the bill for the temple's construction"
also "The inscriptions which remain are bilingual, in Aramaic and Greek; a few with Latin also survive but only from the later years of the city (As'ad and Delplace 2002)."

But I am not too sure about the "Theory" connection - The word has so many different meanings and generally seems rather too close to connections we already have?.
a. "Darwinism". The Galapagos is already "in" for Darwin as person and for the "scientific discovery". ie the "Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection" - but "Darwinism" (whatever "it" is) isn't really a "theory" is it?
b. "Marxism". Again we into the boundaries between "Theory" and "Philosophy" - Marx certainly used (pseudo) scientific "theories" (eg Dialectical Materialism) but "Marxism" goes way beyond these. One might as well call all the religions of the world "Theories".

And what about historic theories which are now regarded as Laws since they have been "proven"? We already have Pisa and its links to the "Theory of Falling Objects" connected under "scientific discovery". Similarly Berne with its links via the Einstein House and Tram lines to the "Theory of Relativity" -

Author Assif
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#12 | Posted: 12 Feb 2009 15:02 
Accepted!

Author meltwaterfalls
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#13 | Posted: 13 Feb 2009 09:06 
I must have missed the Scientific discoveries connection.

Just to add one more, the Pilgrimagre Route to Santiago in France.

Tour St Jacques in Paris was where Pascal carried out experiments on atmospheric pressure and there is still a meteorological laboratory installed at the top of the tower.

Author Assif
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#14 | Posted: 22 Feb 2009 18:29 
Once secret cities:

Machu-Picchu, Petra, ?

Author Durian
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#15 | Posted: 22 Feb 2009 19:17 
What do you mean "secret city"? For me Machu Picchu and Petra seem to fit the word "lost city" similar with Angkor or many sites in Mexico.

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