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Author elsslots
#1 | Posted: 15 May 2008 13:50 
This connection originally was suggested as 'Sites formerly related to Germans/Austrians'.
I decided to make it a bit more specific, as almost half of Europe has some German connection.
- I deleted the Austrians, to avoid the numerous sites connected with the Habsburg Empire
- I'd like to change 'Related to' to something like 'Has had significant impact on'
- And the usual rules apply, as to the exact location inscribed.
The proposed new title is 'Built or owned by Germans'.

Sites I am struggling with:
- Budapest - 25% of the population at the beginning of the 20th Century
- Prague - the majority of the population until around 1850
- Spiss - formerly a German language island
- Cesky Kumlov
- Litomysl - formerly owned by German nobility (?)
- Zamocz (German colonisation in WWII, but nothing to do with the Renaissance town)
- Riga
- Tallinn
- Telc - originally in possession of German nobility(principally German-speaking population.)
- Curonian Spit - formerly inhabited by Germans
- Olomouc - formerly a city with a German majority
- Lviv
- Strassburg - past German population

Ideas & suggestions how to handle this connection (a worthwhile one for sure) are welcome below.

Author Assif
#2 | Posted: 15 May 2008 19:00 
Prague was conquered by the Austrians in the 16th Century. It was only then that numerous Germans moved to the the city centre. It is mainly in the Lesser Town where many German monuments stand (Saxonian House for instance). Many of the churches where rebuilt in the Baroque style by Germans after the Thirty Years War.

Olomouc Trinity Column was built by German architects

Riga - Teutonic Order buildings in the old town, Einstein's Jugendstil villas

Curonian Spit - formerly a Prussian holiday resort

Tallinn - Teutonic Order buildings in the old town

Strassburg - Citadel and walls were built by the Germans

Author evilweevil
#3 | Posted: 16 May 2008 04:56 
Prague was not conquered by the Austrians, it came under Habsburg rule through marriage and inheritance.

Author meltwaterfalls
#4 | Posted: 16 May 2008 06:04 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
Olomouc – is also know by the German name of Olomutz and did have a German majority. The problem I have is pinpointing down the specifics of the Trinity column. It is widely publicised as being Moravian Baroque and it was a point of principle that only local Moravian Artists were used, but obviously the Moravia of this time was both a Czech and German place that is not so useful. However the two main sculptors are usually refereed to as Czech artists and are most commonly known by their Czech names Ondřej Zahner & Václav Render, though occasionally they are referred to by Germanised versions of these names (Andreas and Wenzel) but this seems to be mostly for ease of pronunciation than because that was the preferred name.

I know it is tough to define what community builders belonged to some 260 years ago but I would be sceptical about classing it as being 'built but Germans' unless there is any particular evidence linking it to specific members of the German community especially as there was a big point of principle in making this a 'Moravian' venture. Although in saying that there are many fine buildings through out the city, which were certainly, linked to the German community.

Lednice- Valtice - was built by the Liectenstein family just to throw another german speaking country in the mix

Tugendhat villa - Mies was German, and I think the Tugendhats were German Jews

Author Assif
#5 | Posted: 16 May 2008 07:07 
Just for the sake of clarity: Olmuetz is the German toponym. The artists' names Zahner and Render are German as well even in their Czech version. I agree there was a typical mixture of German and Slavic elements in the Central European culture back then and it is hard to clearly distinguish what is German and what isn't. This said, I still think the Trinity Column can be considered German built.

Author meltwaterfalls
#6 | Posted: 16 May 2008 10:23 
Thanks for the correction on Olmütz, slipped an o in by mistake

Though I would say I am still on the sceptical side of this as the sculptors are widely referred to as being 'Czech artists' and the raison d'etre of the project being so heavily associated with Moravian art, even if the Moravia of the time is different from the Czech dominated Moravia of today.
But, hey ho, I guess there can be no definitive answer on this one without a great deal of research on Messrs Zahner and Render.

Author elsslots
#7 | Posted: 16 May 2008 14:13 
I've added Riga, Tallinn, Curonian Spit and Strasbourg.
Still not convinced about the others, so please go on!

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