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Out or in doubt #10

 
Author elsslots
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#1 | Posted: 23 Aug 2009 04:36 | Edited by: elsslots 
Another round of Out or in doubt. Please clarify!

1. Built or owned by Germans
Budapest - Burgtheater was a German speaking theatre until the 19th Century.
>> German speaking indeed, but created by Habsburg Empress Maria Theresa of Austria. Was it owned by Germans?

(1885) Dubbed as another WHS
Edinburgh as 'The Athens of the North'
>> (bit doubtful, as Athens technically isn't a WHS – only the Acropolis is)

(1872) Dubbed as another WHS
Florence - dubbed Athens of the Middle Ages
>> see above

(1882) Caravaggio
Rome - several works at Galleria Borghese, Musei Capitolini, Palazzo Pampilij and others St Petersburg - "Lute Player" at the Hermitage Florence - several works at Galleria Uffizi, Museuminsel - several paintings destroyed during WWII bombings, Genoa - "Ecce Homo" at the Palazzo Rosso, Vatican - "Entombment", Paris - several works at the Louvre, Vienna - several works at the Kunsthistorisches Museum
>> I changed the description of this connection to exclude museums, as they will obviously have works by a lot of the same artists. So museums are out, works in situ are in.

(1871) Named after individual people
Monuments of Gaudi - Batllo, Vicens, Guell, Mile
>> WHS is 'only' named after Gaudí, and that's already part of the connection

(1870) Neolithic age
Redwood
>> be more specific please

(1854) Pictographs
Humahuaca - Inca Cueva o Chulín
>> Are these pictographs or petroglyphs?

(1853) WHS Hotspot
Lucerne Hot Spot - Swiss Alp Jungfrau - Aletsch - Swiss tectonic Arena - Convent of St. Gall - Richenau Island - Bellinzona - Monte San Giorgio - Sacri Monti - Rhaetian Railway - Convent of Mustair
>> Giving the difficult technicalities of travelling is Switzerland, I find it a bit doubtful to do all these sites as daytrips from Luzern. I've been to Monte San Giorgio myself, that's already quite a trek from Lugano (itself 2 hours away from Luzern by car). If you've experienced otherwise, I gladly hear so.

(1852) WHS Hotspot
Emilia-Romagna and Marche Hotspot - San Marino Veneto hotspot - The Dolomites
>> Which spot in the Dolomites? It is not very close and difficult terrain.

(1803) Congresses and Conferences
Chairs used at the Congress of Vienna now reside at Mount Stewart, home of Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh.
(1802) Winston Churchill
Mount Stewart was the home of the 7th Marquess of Londonderry who was Winston Churchill's cousin. Churchill visited Mount Stewart often.
(1801) Charles Darwin
Charles Darwin sailed on the Beagle expedition which was commanded by Fitzroy, the son of the 1st Marquess of Londonderry who lived at Mount Stewart.
>> Londonderry isn't a WHS!

(1797) Holy Islamic site
Suleyman-Too - the main Muslim pilgramige site in central Asia
>> Connection is meant for the 5+ Holiest sites of Islam. Rest is in under Mosques (or could be under Islamic pilgrimage sites).

(1798) Sacred Mountains
Jerusalem - Temple Mount
>> is it described as such? name a source

Author Assif
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 23 Aug 2009 04:44 | Edited by: Assif 
Zamosc should be then erased from "dubbed as another WHS" as Padua too isn't inscribed in its entirety.

Cueva o Chulin in Humahuaca has "pictographs in black, white and red". http://www.arqueotur.org/yacimientos/inca-cueva-o-chulin.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount

Author Durian
Partaker
#3 | Posted: 23 Aug 2009 20:23 
elsslots:
(1853) WHS Hotspot
Lucerne Hot Spot - Swiss Alp Jungfrau - Aletsch - Swiss tectonic Arena - Convent of St. Gall - Richenau Island - Bellinzona - Monte San Giorgio - Sacri Monti - Rhaetian Railway - Convent of Mustair
>> Giving the difficult technicalities of travelling is Switzerland, I find it a bit doubtful to do all these sites as daytrips from Luzern. I've been to Monte San Giorgio myself, that's already quite a trek from Lugano (itself 2 hours away from Luzern by car). If you've experienced otherwise, I gladly hear so.


I did use Zurich (quite near to Lucern) as a hub for day trip to Bellinzona, St. Gallen and Richenau. All of these trips required a very well plan schedule with load of help from sbb website.

Author Assif
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 24 Aug 2009 09:16 
I'm not that sure about Athens. The Acropolis is certainly considered the core of the Classical city and the canonical Athens. If we exclude Florence and Edinburgh dubbed as Athens we can just as well exclude Riga as Paris because not all of Paris is inscribed. I think both would be a pity.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 24 Aug 2009 12:59 | Edited by: Solivagant 
We have always accepted that only "parts" of some sites have connections with some "parts" of other sites i.e without requiring that an entire site has the connection but here the "connection title" is "dubbed as .." ie. to give a name to. So the connection is with the "name" of the inscribed site is it not? That, in strict terms, might make an Acropolis connection problematical without any mention of Athens in the title? "Paris Banks of Seine" would seem to meet the "name" requirement and very few cities of course are inscribed in their entirety (Only Bath claims it with Venice and we have only been able to add Valletta and Vatican - I think there are others but the lack of proper boundary definitions until more recent inscriptions makes such claims very difficult to verify) - so it is also "The Historic Centre of Riga" and not the entire city which is inscribed. If it were very specific streets/buildings which led to the "dubbing" we might insist that at least these are within the inscribed area but more often these comparisons relate to spiritual and intellectual similarities as much as to topographical and architectural ones so such specifics are very difficult to identify.

Edinburgh does of course have a (part completed) copy of the Acropolis on the Carlton Hill (an intended replica of the Parthenon to commemorate Scots who died in the Napoleonic wars) - so there perhaps should be a Connection for "Modelled after"?? It is already connected under "Unfinished buildings" albeit with an incorrect spelling of the location!

Nem no doubt will correct me, if he reads this, but I think it has to be "The Carlton Hill" not just any old Carlton hill!!

Author Assif
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 24 Aug 2009 16:07 
Florence was dubbed Athens of the Middle Ages because of its intellectual spirit and that it was perceived as continuing the traditions of Classical Athens. In this sense it can be connected the Acropolis which represents the 'spiritual power' behind Classical Athens.
What about a conncetion of cities/towns (perhaps better without villages) inscribed in their entirety. As Solivagant says there are a few of them I can add Paphos to the list.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 24 Aug 2009 17:17 | Edited by: Solivagant 
But is Paphos town/city inscribed in its entirety? The UNESCO map of the inscribed area
http://whc.unesco.org/download.cfm?id_document=101426
marks the inscribed area of Kato Paphos as being within the green line (The inscribed area of Paleopaphos to the north is not relevant).
That area seems to me to be less than the whole town of Paphos as shown on this map for instance?
http://www.windowoncyprus.com/images/kato_paphos.jpg

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