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Author Solivagant
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#886 | Posted: 31 Jan 2023 04:11 
So - add Cordoba, Salamanca and Segovia to Baroque??
Cordoba Baroque - https://www.whatcordoba.com/baroque-architecture.html
Salamanca Baroque - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Mayor,_Salamanca
Segovia Baroque - Avoiding the Chir element there is the Interior of San Esteban rebuilt after fire - https://www.manuelcohen.com/image/I00006NQupW2dkEg

Author Alikander99
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#887 | Posted: 31 Jan 2023 04:51 
elsslots
Basically yes. When under Christian rule we can take most constructions as mudejar. There's one very notable exception though. The Palace of pedro I in seville's Alcázar was built by architects from Granada and IS largely considered a faithful take at nasrid art. Thus It could be considered moorish art comisioned by a Christian ruler.

Author elsslots
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#888 | Posted: 31 Jan 2023 04:59 
elsslots:
It needs a period as well I think

Wiki has a footnote on the Saadian tombs (dating from the 16th century): "Scholars generally view the design and decoration of the Saadian Tombs as strongly and clearly embedded in the artistic traditions of earlier Andalusian and Moroccan architecture (or "Hispano-Moorish" art). Some, such as Georges Marçais, even refer to Saadian art more generally as a "renaissance" of this style, before its relative decline in the following centuries."
It does suggest that there was a 'classical' stage (Hispano-Moorish) from the time of Al-Andalus (8th-15th century). Most examples I have found so far also date from that era. The style continued for a bit (16th - 17th century?) in Northern Africa with people returning from Al-Andalus. (there might be a more scholarly work to back all this up, or contradict it, I am just sharing what I learned so far),

Author elsslots
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#889 | Posted: 31 Jan 2023 05:29 
Have done Tunisia. 'Moorish' seems to be mostly an interaction between what we now know as Spain and Morocco. Tunisia (much further east) had its own development, but its very early masterworks (especially the Kairouan mosque) have influenced everything west and thus also Moorish architecture. It is also seen as the formative stage of western Islamic architecture. Have hesitantly added Sousse as well, but it is not so strong.
"In reviewing the history of architecture in the region, scholar Jonathan Bloom remarks that Hafsid architecture seems to have "largely charted a course independent of the developments elsewhere in the Maghrib [North Africa]""

Author jonathanfr
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#890 | Posted: 8 Feb 2023 12:42 

Author jonathanfr
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#891 | Posted: 9 Feb 2023 05:04 
Destroyed or damaged by Earthquake:

- Aleppo
- Diyarbakir Fortress and Hevsel Gardens


https://whc.unesco.org/en/news/2521/

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#892 | Posted: 10 Feb 2023 02:54 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Thanatourist destination: Easter Island

https://www.dark-tourism.com/index.php/easter-island-rapa-nui

I'm not convinced by the "Dark" aspect but wanted to mention it.

Author Solivagant
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#893 | Posted: 10 Feb 2023 08:49 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
Thanatourist destination: Easter Island

jonathanfr:
Thanatourist destination: Kremlin and Red Square

Are we in danger of getting too "all encompassing" on this one? I have had a look at the Web site where these came from. It is nicely done, based on what seems to be a fair amount of first hand travel experience and good research. My immediate impression, however, is why buy his book when you can look at the Web site!!! But it looks a fine volume which I will look out for 2nd hand!!

I have been generally interested in the subject of "Thanatourism" for many years (as with other "types" of tourism) and "joined" the Dark/Thanatourism Research Forum in 2008. In those days it was the main source of info on the subject and was run by the original "Dark Tourism Academic Guru" Prof Philip Stone - who has subsequently managed to maintain a good career out of the subject! Coincidentally he too has just published a book (which, IMO, looks far less of use/interest than the Atlas mentioned above authored by Dr Peter Hohenhaus who seems to be overtaking Prof Stone in the "Dark tourism guru" stakes??!!) - "111 Dark Places in England That You Shouldn't Miss".

I see from my e-mail folders that I suggested the subject to Els as a "Connection" on 9 Oct 2008 - I copy the note here with my "starter for 4"
"Thanatourism - "travel to locations wholly, or partially, motivated by the desire for actual or symbolic encounters with death, depravity or disaster" Auschwitz - Holocaust site, Hiroshima - Atom Bomb site, Sighisoara - Dracula connotations, Greater Accra - Slave Dungeons"

Not unreasonably, the number of connected sites has grown and now stands at 18. I don't know how many have been sourced from Dr Hohenhaus's "Atlas" but it has been used a lot as the link. If we really want to use his assessment as the "gold standard" for assessing a site's "Darkometer rating" then let's be open about it. But, remember, he had a book to fill!!! I would argue with many of them. Is a visit to Lenin's Tomb really "travel to locations wholly, or partially, motivated by the desire for actual or symbolic encounters with death, depravity or disaster". If it was because he was a "tyrant" could I add Napoloeon's tomb please?? And, OK Easter Island is often cited as an example of how a group of people destroyed their environment but in fact there are alternative narratives on that (as we have previously discussed here - see This article which blames it on the rats!)
And the Museum of Mummies in Guanajuato is a very incidental aspect of any visit to that city - Surely we should be trying to home in on sites where "Dark tourism" is a major aspect?
I have no simple answer but we could no doubt find a Graveyard in many Cultural sites... and if Valongo gets in (without even a "Dungeon"!) then so must any site associated with slavery......

I would suggest we re-think this Connection?

Author tsunami
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#894 | Posted: 11 Feb 2023 16:14 | Edited by: tsunami 
Location for a classic movie

There are many more, but here I would like to mention WHSs where movies by Luis Bunuel, Federico Fellini, and Andrei Tarkovsky were shot.

I'm not sure exactly what constitutes a classic movie, but I believe each of the below more than qualifies as a classic mainly because these three are basically acknowledged masters of international cinema. But I'll try to include major awards they received or some other evidence.

WHS: Rome

"L'AGE D'OR" (BUNUEL & DALI/1930)

WITH VARIOUS SHOTS OF ROME

The striking opening sequence at the rocky coast was also filmed at Cabo de Creus, which is part of the TWHS of Le rivage méditerranéen des Pyrénées.

"In 2019, a restored version of the film was selected to be shown in the Cannes Classics section at the Cannes Film Festival." - - wiki

Viewer discretion is advised for this movie. It is often cited as the most controversial film in the history of cinema. It was publicly banned for 51 years until 1981.

"LA DOLCE VITA" (FELLINI/1960)

AT FOTANA DI TREVI AND OTHERS

Palme d'Or at Cannes FF.

"SATYRICON" (FELLINI/1969)

AT COLOSSEUM

Best Italian Film at Venice FF.

Viewer discretion is advised for this movie.

"NOSTALGHIA" (TARKOVSKY/1982)

AT CAMPIDOGLIO AND ON VIA CONDOTTI

Best Director & FIPRESCI Award at Cannes FF.

WHS: Val d'Orcia

"NOSTALGHIA" (TARKOVSKY/1982)

AT BAGNO VIGNONI

Best Director & FIPRESCI Award at Cannes.

WHS: Santiago de Compostela

"THE MILKY WAY" (BUNUEL/1969)

AT THE CATHEDRAL

Milky Way / La Voie lactée refers to the Route itself. It is about two pilgrims walking on the Routes in France and Spain to Santiago de Compostela.

Viewer discretion is advised for this movie.

WHS: The White Monuments of Vladimir and Suzdal

"ANDREI RUBLEV" (TARKOVSKY/1966)

Most of the movie was shot on locations at Vladimir and Suzdal

FIPRESCI Award at Cannes.

There is even a Tarkovsky monument in Suzdal for making this movie there.

WHS: Trinity Sergius Lavra

"ANDREI RUBLEV" (TARKOVSKY/1966)

AT THE TRINITY CATHEDRAL

FIPRESCI Award at Cannes.

Lastly, I would recommend any reference to Golden Globe Awards be removed, as Golden Globe is an outright scam.

Author Jurre
Partaker
#895 | Posted: 13 Feb 2023 18:03 | Edited by: Jurre 
Connection: Queens and Empresses

Odesa – Catherine II: "The city was founded in 1794 by a strategic decision of the Empress Catherine II to build a warm-water port following the conclusion of the Russo-Turkish war of 1787-1792." (Official description)

Author elsslots
Admin
#896 | Posted: 14 Feb 2023 04:16 
Solivagant:
I would suggest we re-think this Connection?

Will make a mental note for later! Certainly not adding Easter Island.

Author Jurre
Partaker
#897 | Posted: 18 Feb 2023 07:42 | Edited by: Jurre 
Connection: Dynastic Burial Places

Great Spa Towns of Europe – "The Prince's Chapel [in Lichtenthal Abbey] was built in 1288, and until 1372 was the burial place of the Margraves of Baden." (Wikipedia)

Connection: Gothic

Great Spa Towns of Europe – Baden-Baden: The abbey church of the Lichtenthal Abbey is in the Gothic style. (Wikipedia)

Connection: Nunneries

Great Spa Towns of Europe – "Lichtenthal Abbey is a Cistercian nunnery in Lichtenthal in the town of Baden-Baden, Germany." (Wikipedia)

Author Zoe
Partaker
#898 | Posted: 18 Feb 2023 20:52 
Connection: Marvel Cinematic Universe

Victoria Falls
Seen in both Black Panther and its sequel Wakanda Forever.
https://geektrippers.com/where-is-wakanda-in-real-life/

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#899 | Posted: 20 Feb 2023 03:44 
Glacier parks: Kennecott Mines

- Copper production
- Ghost towns


https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/kennicott-ghost-town

Author Zoe
Partaker
#900 | Posted: 20 Feb 2023 22:26 
Scuba Dive Liveboard
As opposed to just being a dive spot which is quite common. Should be 3 days minium and not private charter.

Galapagos
Socorro
Malpelo
Thubbataha
Palau
Komodo
Aldabra Atoll
Bikini Atoll
Great Barrier Reef
Belize Barrier Reef
Cocos Island
Ibiza apparently has some and the biodiversity of the site includes marine life

Halong Bay has something like a liveboard but can't be sure it's the real deal. Surely wouldn't go diving there myself.

Most of these can be found on liveaboard.com

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