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Boundaries of Paris WHS

 
Author elsslots
Admin
#1 | Posted: 4 Nov 2008 12:53 | Edited by: elsslots 
Various locations in Paris are often suggested for connections, which sometimes leads to a big search for me to decide if the named location is inside or outside the WHS.
The Unesco documentation isn't 100% clear about the borders of this site, but in general it's a rather limited area ("Banks of the Seine") that holds only a small number of the well known Paris landmarks.

What do we know?
- It's the part between Pont Sully and Pont D'Iena, so roughly between Ile St. Louis and Eiffel Tower
- Named monuments are:
* Notre-Dame et la Sainte-Chapelle
* Louvre
* Palais de l'Institut,
* l'hôtel des Invalides,
* la place de la Concorde
* l'Ecole Militaire
* la Monnaie,
* la Tour Eiffel
* le Palais de Chaillot,
* Le marais et l'Ile Saint-Louis (Hôtel Lauzun et Hôtel Lambert)
* Place Saint-Germain-I'Auxerrois
* Tuileries gardens
* Church of the Madeleine
* Assemblee Nationale
* the Grand Palais and the Petit Palais des Champs-Elysees;
* Champ-de-Mars
* Trocadero gardens
* the Palais Bourbon

- It probably also includes (or should include, according to the Periodic Reporting) other monumental buildings on the banks of the Seine within the limitations of the 2 bridges named above (f.e. Musée Orsay)

Definitely out are:
- Ile de Cygnes (too far west from the Eiffel Tower)
- Arc de Triomphe (not near the Seine)
- Forum Les Halles
- Jardin des plantes (east of Pont Sully)
- Place de la Bastille
- Champs Elysees

Sources I used: Unesco Advisory Body documentation and Periodic Reporting 2006 (both from Unesco website)


Anyone that has more information about the boundaries of this WHS?
I plan to update the already existing connections to Paris accordingly.

Author EnsignYoshi
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 6 Nov 2008 20:25 
I seem to recall seeing a PDF somewhere, I think it was on this forum. Where in stateparties further stipulated the borders to their entries, it's possible paris was amongst them. Not quite sure if it can help, but it's the best I got to offer :)

Author elsslots
Admin
#3 | Posted: 7 Nov 2008 03:30 
Unfortunately it isn't in there..

Author EnsignYoshi
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 7 Nov 2008 08:51 
I'm starting to think they mean Rive Gauche and Rive Droite. As Banks of the Seine translates into Rives de la Seine. This site shows a map containing both rive gauche et rive droite: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rive_droite_(Paris)

I think those are the intended boundaries, but I can't be sure.

Author EnsignYoshi
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 28 Nov 2008 09:08 | Edited by: EnsignYoshi 
Have you managed to find it?

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 28 Nov 2008 12:27 | Edited by: Solivagant 
I have just been checking the UNESCO Web site for documentation about the "Paris Banks of Seine" and was surprised to discover a detailed map of the boundaries. It is dated 2006 but I am sure it wasn't there when I looked only a few weeks ago on this subject. Did anyone else look recently?? Surely one of us would have found it when this subject arose? Perhaps someone from UNESCO reads this forum!!

http://whc.unesco.org/download.cfm?id_document=101409 (beware it is 14mb in size)

Among other things it shows clearly that Ile des Cygnes is NOT included although the southern bank as far as Pont de Bir-Hakeim IS.

My French is not good enough to handle the exact nuances of many French words but it might be of interest that the French language ICOMOS evaluation documentation dated 1990 clearly uses the title of the site as "Les berges de la Seine a Paris". But the minutes of the WHC (and all documentation thereafter as far as I can see) describe it as "Paris, rives de la Seine". As I understand it "Berge" emphasises the concept of "banks" - steep-sidedness etc etc whereas "Rive" is more general. Can anyone with a better appreciation of French than mine confirm this? If this is correct then, given the extent of the site away from the literal steep sided "banks" in some places at least, the word "Rives" would indeed seem to be a better word - but then why did ICOMOS use "Berges" as the title for their evaluation -surely it must have been what the French originally called it? Unfortunately for inscriptions this old we do not have access to the original nomination documentation

(PS Els - the Connection for "Statue of Liberty" on the Ile des Cygnes now definitely needs to be removed!)

Author elsslots
Admin
#7 | Posted: 28 Nov 2008 12:56 
Solivagant:
the Connection for "Statue of Liberty" on the Ile des Cygnes now definitely needs to be removed!)

I thought I already had, but overlooked one indeed.

Good find, that map! It wasn't there before when we started discussing this. Describing the boundaries seems to be a priority now at Unesco (rightly so!), as they've added a separate subpage called 'Locations and Maps' to all WHS. Only part of these have useful info at the moment, but I guess they'll keep on adding.

Author EnsignYoshi
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 29 Nov 2008 08:39 | Edited by: EnsignYoshi 
Great Find Solivagant. I didn't notice the map when I was looking for it.
I'm suprised actually that the Arc de Triomphe isn't on there, but the Hotel de Ville is.

And if I interpret the map correctly, the few remains of the bastille placed at Square Henri Galli seem to be included as well (though it's possible merely the square is included).

Author Durian
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 30 Nov 2008 20:51 | Edited by: Durian 
Great Job, Soilvagent. However I am quite dissapointed for Paris's boundaries. The WHS is not cover all beautiful apartments along the saine and also not include the great two buildings on Place de la Concorde, Hotel de Crillon and US Embassy building!! It seems that Paris tried to avoid all private buildings (except ones on Ill de la Cite and Ill de Saint Louis) which is quite sad for such important WH in terms of integrity and harmony.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 1 Dec 2008 04:07 | Edited by: Solivagant 
This link
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/editions/documents/cr111_p20-21.pdf
provides a resumee (in French) of the project which led to the creation of the GIS maps for the French sites. It also gives a bit of background to the UNESCO "push" to improve the documentation particularly of early (pre 1998) inscriptions. It appears that all the French sites have been done except the Routes of Santiago de Compostela. I have checked a few of them and (indeed apart from the "Routes") they were all (except Canal du Midi) on the UNESCO Web site of the respective Sites - including the Loire Valley which would have helped us with our earlier discussions about Angers! The Atlas, containing the maps and a range of other data, was formally received by UNESCO at Vilnius in July 2006 but, as we have noted, has only reached the UNESCO Web site in the last few weeks (and the above link states that it was "remis à l'UNESCO en 2005") ! It looks a nice piece of work.
It has apparently been added to the "Géocatalogue du Géoportail national" (a sort of French Google Maps) but I haven't been able yet to find the references.

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