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Mentioned in the Iliad and Odyssey

Author elsslots
#1 | Posted: 3 Jan 2010 05:35 
Troy, Athens, Delphi, Mycenae, Olympia, Xanthos ...
I would like to turn it into a connection, but need more background text to make it interesting.

Can someone with good knowledge of these works by Homerus add some info about what supposedly happened at which WHS?

Author m_m
#2 | Posted: 3 Jan 2010 06:05 
you can also include the Aeolian Islands.

does this mean that a connection for places mentioned and/or setting for shakespearean works can also be established?

Author Assif
#3 | Posted: 3 Jan 2010 06:55 
I guess so and herewith make an opening:

Venice - The Merchant of Venice
Vienna - Measure for Measure
Verona - Romeo and Juliet
Athens - Midsummer Night's Dream
Rome - Julius Caesar
Elsinore - Hamlet

Author Solivagant
#4 | Posted: 4 Jan 2010 07:05 | Edited by: Solivagant 
"Mentioned" in the Iliad/Odyssey is perhaps a bit "strong" since many of the locations are legendary. Many a book and PhD has been written hypothesising where the locations actually were - if anywhere!! There are even views that Madeira and the Azores are involved! Wiki states "The view that Odysseus's landfalls are best treated as imaginary places is probably held by the majority of classical scholars today"!

But if we are looking for WHS "believed" by some to be locations referred to in the Odyssey/Iliad then
"The Wandering Rocks" are often held to be the Island of Stromboli -Aeolian Islands (though others propose Sicily generally with the flames etc coming from Etna). Book XII - Circe advises Odysseus that there are 2 possible onward routes :- "One leads to those sheer cliffs which the blessed gods know as the Wandering Rocks ..... for such sailors as bring their ships to the spot there is no escape whatever. They end up as flotsam on the sea, timbers and corpses tossed in confusion by the waves or licked by the tempestuous and destroying flames ". He chooses the other route via Scylla and Charibdys!

There are problems re WHS which were Shakespeare locations too - in particular whether there is anything left which was there in Shakespeare's time and whether the play contains any sense of "place" e.g "Paris - a room at the Palace ? And is "Athens" good enough when only the Acropolis is inscribed . What to do about locations like Pericles, Prince of Tyre - "Tyre -a room in the Palace". The location is really irrelevant and has no sonse of place - but then does Elsinore either?

I suggest the following as being reasonably related to the inscribed site (I haven't bothered with further plays set in locations already mentioned by Assif e.g Titus Andronicus in "Rome -before the Capitol")
Henry IV II Act IV Scene 4 "Westminster -a room at the Palace"
Henry VI Act I Scene I "Westminster Abbey
There are others in Westminster or "The Parliament house" too

Tower of London
Henry VI Act I Scene III "London -before the Gates of the Tower". Scene V "A room in the Tower", - and in other plays also (E.g Richard III)

TroyTroilus + Cressida

Author m_m
#5 | Posted: 4 Jan 2010 22:36 
don't forget that a slippery slope might be on the way here. if we have connections for homer's works and shakespeare's works, then which author's works will be next?

also, you can also have a connection like "mentioned in the bible". but again, as a slippery slope, we can also have connection for "mentioned in the quran" and the other religious texts.

Author Assif
#6 | Posted: 5 Jan 2010 06:59 
Yes we can - and as long as we deal with canonic works as the ones suggested above (including the Bible and the Quran) I don't see it as a problem.
As to Homer - we could name the connection 'proposed as a possible location for places referenced in the Iliade and the Odyssey'.

Author Solivagant
#7 | Posted: 5 Jan 2010 11:36 | Edited by: Solivagant 
In case some forum readers haven't closely followed the growing number of Connections over the past 2 years we do already have "Connections" for
Mentioned in the Bible
Referenced in the Koran

The opportunity is open for anyone who can identfiy other "canonical" religious texts containing references to 3 WHS! Authors might be a bit more of a problem as there may be some real "pot boilers" who just love to set their trashy novels in famous "exotic places" such as WHS. I did wonder whether the recent Indiana Jones movie connection was opening the floodgates - What about Agatha Christie and James Bond books/movies? On books and movies we originally tried to limit matters by insisting on "books by Nobel Prize winning authors" and "Movies of Critical acclaim".

By the way Els - I would restrict the Shakespeare connection to "set in" rather than "mentioned in" and did you deliberately exclude Tyre? I thought that it lacked a "sense of place" but no less than others which you have included?

Author elsslots
#8 | Posted: 5 Jan 2010 13:35 
did you deliberately exclude Tyre

I forgot!

Author Assif
#9 | Posted: 5 Jan 2010 17:06 
I think both Agatha Christie and James Bond are good suggestions :)
Nonetheless, I don't think I have the urge to put them through.

Author Solivagant
#10 | Posted: 5 Jan 2010 18:44 
It appears that Agatha Christie's books don't yield 3 WHS - I had assumed that, with "Death on the Nile" as a start there would be something from e.g "Murder on The Orient Express" and "Murder in Mesopotamia" - but apparently not. Hercule Poirot never even took his little grey cells to the Grande Place in his home country!! Agatha Christie married an archaeologist but I can't even connect her personally to 3 sites.

James Bond is another matter however with 2 different potential (and overlapping) connection lists -
a. Sites in books
Giza etc -The spy who loved me
Luxor etc - The spy who loved me
Meteora -For your eyes only
Corfu - For your eyes only
Vienna - The Living Daylights
Paris - A view to kill
St Petersburg -Goldeneye
Istanbul -From Russia with Love
Valletta -The Spy who loved me
Venice -Moonraker, Casino Royale

There are potentially several others but I am not a "reader" of James Bond so can't categorically state if the action actually takes place in the inscribed area e.g
Kazan - Quantum of Solace
Siena - Q of Solace
Prague -Casino Royale
Havana -Die another day
Lahore - Casino Royale

b. Sites used as movie locations
Many but not all of the above -I will let someone else have a go if they wish!

Author winterkjm
#11 | Posted: 6 Jan 2010 00:28 

Imperial Palaces of the Ming and Qing - The Last Emperor
Old and New Towns of Edinburgh - Trainspotting
Historic Sanctuary of Machu Picchu - The Motorcycle Diaries
Auschwitz Birkenau - The Reader
Works of Antoni Gaudi - Vicky Christina Barcelona

to name a few...

Author Assif
#12 | Posted: 30 Jan 2010 05:34 
Can someone help out with possible interpretations to Homerian locations?

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