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Filling up the gaps list

 
Author Assif
Partaker
#1 | Posted: 24 Apr 2014 15:11 | Edited by: Assif 
Herewith an attempt at a closing up the gaps list. I took the official categories plus some thematic studies. Wherever a T-list site fits in I site it. Non T-list sites are marked with an asterisk.

1) Mari (Syria)
2) Ebla (Syria)
3) Ur (Iraq)
4) Babylon (Iraq)
5) Nimrud (Iraq)
6) Göbeklitepe (Turkey)
7) Erbil (Iraq)
8) Dalyan (Turkey)
9) Amarna (Egypt)
10) Dahshur (Egypt)
11) Fayum (Egypt)
12) Konya (Turkey)
13) Silk Road (multinational)
14) Lapita sites (Samoa)
15) Nan Madol (Micronesia)
16) Raiatea (France)
17) Rock money sites (Palau, Micronesia)
18) Sepik (PNG)
19) Trans-Fly (PNG)
20) Houn (PNG)
21) Korowai tree houses (Indonesia)*
22) North Kohala (USA)*
23) M'banza Kongo (Angola)
24) Loango (Rep Congo)
25) Aasivissuit, Arnangarnup Qoorua (Denmark)
26) Ciudad Perdida (Colombia)
27) Guyalbo (Costa Rica)*
28) Caguana (USA)*
29) Kuhikugu (Brazil)*
30) Kuelap (Peru)
31) Chapaq Nan (multinational)
32) Ingapirca (Ecuador)
33) Titicaca (Peru, Bolivia)
34) Sacred Valley (Peru)*
35) Huaca de la Luna (Peru)*
36) Monte Verde (Chile)
37) Myeik Archipelago (Myanmar)
38) Benguela Current (Angola, Namibia, South Africa)*
39) Marine Fiji (Fiji)*
40) Karoo (South Africa, Namibia)
41) Baa Atoll (Maldives)*
42) Chagos Marine Reserve (UK)*
43) Moist forests of New Caledonia: Grandes Fougeres, Riviere Bleu, Dumbea (France)*
44) Suakin (Sudan)
45) Lake Chad (Chad, Cameroon, Niger)
46) Inner Niger Delta (Mali)*
47) Sudd (South Sudan)*
48) Te Faaiti (France)*
49) Lena Delta Wildlife Reserve (Russia)*
50) Okavango (Botswana)
51) Eastern Arc Mts (Tanzania, Kenya)
52) Ajgal (Morroco)
53) Jozani (Tanzania)
54) Quirimbas (Mozambique)
55) Kalahari (Botswana)
56) Malka Mari (Kenya)
57) Subtropical forests of Cambodia (Cambodia)*
58) Hamiguitan (Philippines)
59) Bunaken (Indonesia)
60) Amu Darya (Turkmenistan)
61) Sarmishsay (Uzbekistan)
62) Colchis Forest (Georgia)
63) Southwest Australian shrubland (Australia)*
64) Fagaloa (Samoa)
65) Micronesian rainforest (Micronesia)*
66) Cape York (Australia)*
67) Carrizo Plain (USA)*
68) Big Bend-Ocampo (USA, Mexico)*
69) Los Alerces (Argentina)
70) Jeannette Kawas NP (Honduras)*
71) Cerro la Campania (Chile)*
72) Dicky Private Reserve (UK)*
73) Magellanes-Tierra del Fuego (Chile, Argentina)*
74) Cordillera de Sama and Cotahuasi Subbasin (Bolivia)*
75) Pampa del Tamarugal and Pan de Azucar (Chile)*
76) Salisbury Plains, Grytviken (UK)*
77) Monfrague (Spain)
78) Arrabida (Portugal)
79) Binder Mts (Mongolia)
80) Hacienda Chao (Venezuela)
81) Land of Olives (Palestine)
82) Huichol Route (Mexico)
83) Spinifex CL (Australia)*
84) San CL (Botswana)*
85) Atikaki / Woodland Caribou / Accord First Nations (Pimachiowin Aki) (Canada)
86) Toraja (Indonesia)
87) Panama Canal (Panama)*
88) Grand Canal (China)
89) Transsiberian Railway (Russia)*
90) Baikonur Cosmodrome / Cape Canaveral (Kazakhstan, USA)*
91) Chernobyl (Ukraine)*
92) Ford River Rouge Complex & Highland Plant (USA)*
93) Hollywood Studios & Movie Palaces (USA)*
94) Hall (Austria)
95) Joden Savanne (Suriname)
96) Ancient synagogues of the Galilee (Israel)
97) Amritsar (India)
98) Guggenheim Museum (Spain)*
99) Moscow metro (Russia)*
100) Olympic village Munich (Germany)*
101) Tempelhof (Germany)*
102) Westhoek (Belgium)
103) Chicago Scool (USA)*
104) Salmona (Colombia)
105) Le Corbusier (multinational)
106) Cubanacan (Cuba)
107) Slave Route (multinational)
108) Civil Rights Movement (USA)
109) Pyongyan (North Korea)*
110) Astana (Kazakhstan)*
111) Albert Schweitzer Hospital (Gabon)
112) Francke Foundation (Germany)
113) Via Apia (Italy)
114) Dayton sites (USA)
115) Hangar Y (France)
116) L'Aeropostal (Senegal)
117) Rjukan (Norway)
118) Ostrava (Czech Rep)
119) Shahbazgarhi (Pakistan)
120) Bouvet (Norway)
121) Ponta de Ouro (Mozambique)
122) Easter Island Marine (Chile)*
123) Sao Tiome and Principe marine (Sao Tome and Prinicpe)*
124) Paracas (Peru)*
125) The Gully (Canada)*
126) Pecos River (USA)*
127) Cenotes of Yucatan (Mexico)
128) Snake River Plain (USA)*
129) Crater Lake (USA)*
130) Mayon (Philippines)*
131) Pelee (France)*
132) Laki (Iceland)*
133) Mıvatn-Laxa (Iceland)
134) Herğubreiğarlindir-Askja (Iceland)
135) Tuya (Canada)*
136) Deccan Traps (India)*
137) Cerro Galan (Argentina)*
138) Shiprock (USA)*
139) Vales Caldera (USA)*
140) Las Parinas (Argentina)*
141) Band-E-Amir (Afghanistan)
142) Canyon du Rio Peruaçu (Brazil)
143) Gewihaba (Botswana)*
144) The Lijiang River Scenic Zone (China)
145) Velebit Mountain (Croatia)*
146) Talassemtane (Morroco)
147) Svalbard (Norway)
148) Lut (Iran)
149) Western Desert (Egypt)
150) Chott el Jerid (Tunisia)
151) Thar (India)
152) Enndei-Tibetsi (Chad)
153) Gobi (Mongolia, China)
154) San Pedro de Atacama (Chile)
155) Wadi Howar (Sudan)
156) Sabkhas (UAE)*
157) Badain Jaran (China)*
158) Arches (USA)*
159) Petrified Forest (USA)*
160) Death Valley (USA)*
161) Lake Bonneville (USA)*
162) Bodele Depression (Chad)*
163) Kimberley Mts (Australia)*
164) Hunza Valley (Pakistan)*

Author Assif
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 03:54 
Hereby the list of all countries with more than two entries on this list:

USA 19
Peru 6
France 6
Chile 6
China 5
Australia 4
Argentina 4
Egypt 4
Botswana 4
Iraq 4
Turkey 3
Micronesia 3
Indonesia 3
PNG 3
UK 3
Chad 3
Russia 3
Tanzania 3
Mexico 3
Canada 3
India 3
Germany 3
Iceland 3
Norway 3

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#3 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 04:40 
Assif:
Hereby the list of all countries with more than two entries on this list:


I suppose that a "bigger issue" is how many of those sites aren't even on that country's T List?

Assif - your list of 164 sites (to date and counting?!!) is impressive and represents a lot of "knowledge", work and added value. A problem I have is the lack of any easy reference back to the "gap" which each of those sites is/might be regarded as "filling". I have got a bit lost with all the different categories and subcategories acorss Cultural and Natural which have been used across the past year when you started in Feb 2013.The output is scattered across posts on the forum going back over a year!

I wonder if "lists" on this Forum are really the best way of displaying the data- might not a spreadsheet format be better? Els can provide a link to such a spreadsheet if you send it to her so we can all view it.

I would suggest something along the lines of

A row per proposed/potential "gap filling" site as identified by yourself
Then, for each row, columns covering
a. Category - e.g Natural
b. Sub category e.g Habitat
c. Sub sub category e.g Somali-Maasai Savannah
d. Proposed/possible Gap filling site e.g Samburu NP
e. Country
f. T List or not?
g. Date on T List
h. Notes/Comments/Issues

For completeness and ease of reference back to the original lists of Gaps as identified by ICOMOS/IUCN the spreadsheet could include sites which you/we regard as having filled a gap. In which case row f could have 3 possible entries - Inscribed/T List/Not on T List and row g would show the date of inscription.

Row h could be used where to record doubts you might have about whether this actually fills the gap, gaps for which no site seems suitable, which of 2 potential gap fillers is regarded as more suitable etc etc

Such a spreadsheet could be sorted by you/us at will by combinations of category etc/country, filled, unfilled and provides the entire analysis to date in a single location

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 14:49 | Edited by: kkanekahn 
I was surprised that some of gaps in India were not considered.
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=1692&p age=8

Indus valley civilisation-Lothal and Dholavira (represented by Mohenjodaro only)
South Indian Islamic Architecture- Deccan monuments(not at all represented)
Hoyasala Monuments(major gap between 10th century Chola and 16th Century Vijaynagar architecture)
Srirangam and Meenakshi(Best example of Dravian Vaishnav and godess temples architecture)

Though Sompura is included but Nalanda was much larger than it ( ancient university gap)

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 14:58 | Edited by: Solivagant 
kkanekahn:
I was surprised that some of gaps in India were not considered.


If you go back to the first and subsequent posts by Assif on this subject he makes it clear that the exercise was to trace progress or otherwise on the "Gaps" as identified by IUCN/ICOMOS in their reports of 2003 (ICOMOS) and 2004 (IUCN)
Assif:
I think that the Filling Up the Gaps report released in 2003 http://www.international.icomos.org/world_heritage/gaps.pdf
was an important initiative by Unesco to change the trend and make the WH list a more balanced one. As has already been often commented on in this forum by me and others this has had only limited impact, although it does appear things slowly begin to change. I would like to dedicate this thread to discussions regarding past and future successes and failiures in implementing this report across the different categories it refers to:

Assif:
And now to the gaps in the natural heritage, a report from 2004 http://archive.org/stream/reviewofworldher04magi#page/112/mode/2up.

The issue as to whether those reports missed out other justifiable "Gaps" (e.g as between Chola and Vijayanagar architecture) is a perfectly valid question but wasn't going to be covered in this analysis.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 15:12 | Edited by: kkanekahn 
All these sites except Nalanda was included in ICMOS gaps.

Kingdoms in South India; Cholas, Hoysalas, Hindu Vijayanagar Empire-
Hoyasala temples clearly come under this group.
Srirangam temple has also architectural idioms coming from the several royal dynasties Cholas, the Kongu rulers, the Pandyas, the Hoysalas, Vijayanagara Empire.(includes all 3 empire in the list)
Deccan kingdoms also mentioned in the list.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 25 Apr 2014 15:58 | Edited by: kkanekahn 
Solivagant:
If you go back to the first and subsequent posts by Assif on this subject he makes it clear that the exercise was to trace progress or otherwise on the "Gaps" as identified by IUCN/ICOMOS in their reports of 2003 (ICOMOS) and 2004 (IUCN) was an important initiative by Unesco to change the trend and make the WH list a more balanced one. As has already been often commented on in this forum by me and others this has had only limited impact, although it does appear things slowly begin to change. I would like to dedicate this thread to discussions regarding past and future successes and failiures in implementing this report across the different categories it refers to:


The issue as to whether those reports missed out other justifiable "Gaps" (e.g as between Chola and Vijayanagar architecture) is a perfectly valid question but wasn't going to be covered in this analysis.


ICMOS did not miss (e.g as between Chola and Vijayanagar architecture). It included Hoyasala dynasty.Assif did not consider my suggestion about Hoyasala and others

Author Assif
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 26 Apr 2014 01:30 | Edited by: Assif 
Dear kkanekahn, as far as I remember ICOMOS examined India, but did not include it in the gaps mentioned, i.e., it concluded India did not constitute a gap. This is not to say I disagree with you about the need of further Indian sites. Even Bagan was not considered a gap.
Here I am trying to list the sites relating to gaps as identified in the reports.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 26 Apr 2014 21:17 
Assif:
as far as I remember ICOMOS examined India, but did not include it in the gaps mentioned.
\Here I am trying to list the sites relating to gaps as identified in the reports.


Which report are you talking about? I created the list by looking ICMOS gap analysis report provided by you. It also include Bagan city(page no. 56)

Author Assif
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 27 Apr 2014 11:03 | Edited by: Assif 
Now I see the source of the confusion, kkanekahn.
You refer to the listing of all subcategories which indeed includes occasional gaps. After each of the three sections there is a summary which lists the most significant gaps. For B it is on page 68. South and East Asia are not analyzed there and are barely mentioned.
When I summarised the gaps I only referred to those gaps that appear in the analysis at the end of each section. Of course one could take the category assignment and analyze it independently of the summary. This would mean a much more detailed gap analysis than the one I did.
To be honest, I am a bit tired of reading through this report for the time being. If you want to analyze these "smaller" gaps on the list, it should definitely be interesting. However, you should be aware that the same should be done with all categories, because my gaps did not rely on such analysis and are therefore much less detailed.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#11 | Posted: 27 Apr 2014 13:32 
Assif:
When I summarised the gaps I only referred to those gaps that appear in the analysis at the end of each section. Of course one could take the category assignment and analyze it independently of the summary. This would mean a much more detailed gap analysis than the one I did.
To be honest, I am a bit tired of reading through this report for the time being. If you want to analyze these "smaller" gaps on the list, it should definitely be interesting. However, you should be aware that the same should be done with all categories, because my gaps did not rely on such analysis and are therefore much less detailed.


Okay, I got your point. Undoubtedly, detailed analysis would make the list much longer.

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