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Author elsslots
Admin
#346 | Posted: 12 Sep 2018 12:32 
jonathanfr:
La foire Internationale Rachid Karameh de Tripoli-Liban (Lebanon)
https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6357/
The 1700th site on TL.

Intriguing choice! Another one of Oscar Niemeyer's buildings. Isn't he honoured enough already on the List?

Author hubert
Partaker
#347 | Posted: 12 Sep 2018 14:34 
elsslots:
Someone else wants to give it a try?

Estimated from this map
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Study-area-map-with-geographical-location-within- India-and-Meghalaya-PA-Protected_fig1_242417823

I would suggest the following coordinates
Reserved Forest of Rewak 25.321591, 90.645212
Reserved Forest of Imangiri 25.375000, 90.525000
Reserved Forest of Baghmara 25.208333, 90.675000

Author elsslots
Admin
#348 | Posted: 12 Sep 2018 23:41 
hubert:
I would suggest the following coordinates
Reserved Forest of Rewak 25.321591, 90.645212
Reserved Forest of Imangiri 25.375000, 90.525000
Reserved Forest of Baghmara 25.208333, 90.675000

Thanks Hubert!

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#349 | Posted: 20 Sep 2018 07:27 
Petroglyphs of Lake Onega and the White Sea (Russia)
http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6358/

Author Zoe
Partaker
#350 | Posted: 26 Oct 2018 00:14 
@Els
the Canadian entry for Klondike (also the name should be Tr'ondëk-Klondike?) has an old link to the UNESCO website, it should be:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6255/

I'm not sure why they updated it especially as they still have that horrible short outdated description. One would think they have better docs when trying to get an inscription.

Author elsslots
Admin
#351 | Posted: 26 Oct 2018 00:28 
Zoe:
the Canadian entry for Klondike (also the name should be Tr'ondëk-Klondike?) has an old link to the UNESCO website

Thanks for reporting it! I've changed it.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#352 | Posted: 26 Oct 2018 04:00 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
Zoe:
the Canadian entry for Klondike (also the name should be Tr'ondëk-Klondike?) has an old link to the UNESCO website
Thanks for reporting it! I've changed it.

In fact you need to make another change to this T List entry as well Els!
The Chilkoot Trail location is no longer a part of the T List proposal. We were there many years ago and visited both the Dawson and Chilkoot areas -it would seem to me that the Chilkoot Trail was an important part of the story but that it doesn't fit comfortably into the "Cultural Landscape" approach. Again, one wonders why Canada has gone for that rather than just a series of "Historic sites".

The original 2004 description for UNESCO (ref 1941) commenced "The transboundary serial cultural landscapes in First Nations traditional territories, including the Tr'ochëk fishing camp, and the Chilkoot Trail, the Klondike gold fields and the historic district of Dawson"
The latest version (now with Ref No 6255 - even though it still shows the T List submission date as 2004) only covers "Centred on the Yukon and Klondike rivers in northwestern Canada"
This original section didn't make sense if USA didn't join in and inscribe its part of the Chilkoot trail as well. I don't think we have any history of this aspect (Winterkjm - do you ??) Was USA not prepared to play ball with Canada and create a Transboundary Nomination? As I remember it you have looked in detail at the process which led to USA's latest T List - Was the USA secion of Chilkoot never proposed? And, if it was, why wasn't it pursued? Wiki states of Chilkoot "In 1998, the centennial of the gold rush, Chilkoot Trail National Historic Site in British Columbia merged with the U.S. park to create the Klondike Gold Rush International Historical Park.". So the USA portion was already a Historicl Park which should have overcome any potential diifculties regarding any private property which might have been within it.

As late as 2016 the local press were still expecting that the US portion would be included (but, in retrospect, that could not have been the case since USA hadn't included it on its own T List). See this article which contains the comment "An earlier version of this story cited outdated information from UNESCO's website which said the Chilkoot Trail would be included in the World Heritage site bid. The Chilkoot trail will not be part of the bid.
Jan 14, 2016 3:26 PM CT"


I don't think we ever discovered WHY Canada withdrew this Nomination from discussion in 2018 did we??? Obviously ICOMOS can't have been happy with something (or everything?!)- presumably it must have been SO unhappy that Canada wasn't prepared to progress to the WHC on the basis of getting a "Deferral". I wonder why?? And we seem to think that Canada intends bringing it back for 2022 - but I can't find a source for that??

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#353 | Posted: 27 Oct 2018 06:49 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Solivagant:
The original 2004 description for UNESCO (ref 1941) commenced "The transboundary serial cultural landscapes in First Nations traditional territories, including the Tr'ochëk fishing camp, and the Chilkoot Trail, the Klondike gold fields and the historic district of Dawson"

Further to this -
Els - Perhaps the history of this T List entry should usefully mention the significant change in scope thus
2004 Added to T List as Transboundary CL titled "The Klondyke"
2017 T List name changed to "Tr'ondëk-Klondike". Chilkoot Trail and Transboundary aspects removed.

I have tried to trace via Wayback Machine when exactly this change happened!
The last Wayback scan of the old entry took place on Apr 3 2017 - though the entry was still present for further scans but with its text removed until Aug 3
The first Wayback scan of the new entry took place on Sep 20 2017.
The nomination for discussion at the 2018 WHC which Canada requested not to be discussed must have been submitted by end Jan 2017. Indeed, the relevant document for the 2017 WHC regarding nominations to be considered at the 2018 WHC, states
"Canada/ Tr'ondëk-Klondike/ 1564/ 26/01/2017/ (iv)(vi)/ Yes/ 1/ Complete
(S Party/ Proposed Name/ ID_NO/ Date Rec'vd/Criteria/ C L'scape?/No of Parts/Complete?)

Thus, although the T List entry on the UNESCO Web site was only updated to the new name and scope some time between Apr and Sep 2017, the changes had clearly taken place some time before - during the period in which the Nomination presented to UNESCO in Jan 2017 was being prepared. Having presented something rather different from the "Official" T List title and scope the change made between Apr/Sept 2017 was clearly a "catch up" exercise by Canada in advance of the full evaluation!

In fact there is an "official" Web site for the Nomination -
This is the "History" page which includes the statement "The original concept included the stampeders' trek along the Gold Rush corridor from Seattle over the Chilkoot Trail to Dawson and Tr'ochëk, but the U.S. government was not ready to approve the American portion.". No date was mentioned for this US "unwillingness", but it appears to have been BEFORE 2010
This page indicates that the ICOMOS concerns related to the Cultural Landscape aspects. - "The project partners and Parks Canada consider that this unique site, which commemorates a living gold rush landscape identifying Indigenous culture and mining activity as key elements, would be a valuable contribution to the World Heritage List. However, ICOMOS has expressed concerns regarding the presentation of this site as a cultural landscape, its boundaries, and some of the elements that could contribute to its proposed Outstanding Universal Value. The site's protection, management, conservation and monitoring measures were all found to be satisfactory."
As far as I can see, no mention is made within the Nomination Web site of any date for resubmission. Merely that "the partners will continue working together to explore options to advance the nomination. We have the opportunity now to build an even stronger nomination and determine a successful path forward,"

The decision to nominate as a "Cultural Landscape" would appear to be driven by the desire of one of the major partners - the local "First peoples" ("Tr'ondëk Hwëch'in"), supported by the Canadian government, to gain inclusion for their Cultural contribution to the area rather than simply concentrating on the late 19th C "Gold Rush aspects!

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#354 | Posted: 3 Nov 2018 10:27 
Italica, Adrianea city (Spain)

An update to Spain's tentative list is on the way, so it seems.

https://www.eldiario.es/cultura/Italica-nacional-Patrimonio-Mundial-Unesco_0_82906765 4.html

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#355 | Posted: 3 Nov 2018 10:45 
Denmark may add 3 tentative nominations soon.

Arbejdermuseet's Buildings: Workers Museum (Denmark)
White Cliffs at Møn (Denmark)
Dragør Old Town (Denmark)


https://www.tv2lorry.dk/artikel/koebenhavns-bud-paa-et-vartegn-til-verdensarvsliste-a rbejdermuseet

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#356 | Posted: 21 Nov 2018 02:05 | Edited by: winterkjm 
New tentative nomination.

Franciscan Ensemble of the Monastery and Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Tlaxcala (extension of the property Earliest 16th-Century Monasteries on the Slopes of Popocatépetl) (Mexico)

Author elsslots
Admin
#357 | Posted: 21 Nov 2018 13:44 
winterkjm:
New tentative nomination.

Franciscan Ensemble of the Monastery and Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Tlaxcala (extension of the property Earliest 16th-Century Monasteries on the Slopes of Popocatépetl) (Mexico)

It's actually a renomination of a former TWHS (thanks for pointing that out, Jonathann)

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#358 | Posted: 29 Nov 2018 20:25 
Naletale Cluster of Dzimbabwes (27/11/2018) Zimbabwe

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#359 | Posted: 6 Dec 2018 17:05 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Myanmar

Pondaung anthropoid primates palaeontological sites

Shwedagon Pagodaon Singuttara Hill

http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/?state=mm&

Author elsslots
Admin
#360 | Posted: 7 Dec 2018 00:50 | Edited by: elsslots 
jonathanfr:
Shwedagon Pagodaon Singuttara Hill

finally! in the Top 20 missing...

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