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Author hubert
#31 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 13:15 
First of all, many thanks to Solivagant and Assif for all the work. And to Els in advance for adding them.

A few comments after cursorily going through the list:

- it is interesting that the buildings of the Chicago School of Architecture once were on the T-list, would be a worthy WHS

- from the terribly long list of mediocre German castles, monasteries and historic towns one site stands out: the AEG Turbine Factory by Peter Behrens. It is an influential building of modern industrial architecture and still in use for the original purpose.

Croatia Iles de Kornati

seems to be part of the current T-list entry Kornati National Park and Telašćica Nature Park, the site was removed 2005, the new nomination was submitted 2007

Germany Pfaueninsel Belin 1984 Removed 1996

Pfaueninsel is part of the WHS Palaces and Parks of Potsdam and Berlin, inscribed 1990

Author winterkjm
#32 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 13:56 | Edited by: winterkjm 
For more analysis on the Former US Tentative List, it was discussed here a couple years back. It is also interesting because the US is planning an update to the current Tentative List in 2016. Perhaps some of these worthy "old nominations" will be re-nominated. age=0

I already submitted my (10) suggestions to the NPS. If the US nominations for 2015 and 2016 are successful it would leave 10 remaining nomination on the tentative list.

Transnational Nominations
- Camino Real - Santa Fe (New Mexico) Extension
- Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument (Arizona) Extension
- The Klondike (Alaska)

Re-nomination Mixed (Criteria iii)
- Grand Canyon National Park (Arizona)

Cultural Nominations
- Sinagua Culture (Arizona) 4 components (Tuzigoot - Montezuma - Wuptaki - Walnut Canyon)
- Historic Charleston (South Carolina)
- Historic Savannah (Georgia)*
- Chicago School of Architecture (Illinois)

Mixed Nominations
- Sacred Places of the Diné (Navajo Nation) 2 Components (Monument Valley, Canyon de Chelly)

Natural Nominations
- Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks (California)

* Only likely to be inscribed on the World Heritage List if it is extended to the entire urban fabric of the historic plan area and not confined to the streets and open spaces. - ICOMOS 1995

Author Assif
#33 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 14:56 
UK: St. Patrick Isle (Peel Castle), Isle of Man
UK: Chatsworth
UK: Stourhead
UK: Lacock
UK: Cregneash, Isle of Man
UK: Caerleon legionary fortress
UK: British Virgin Islands: Anegada
UK: British Virrin Islands: The Baths Area of Virgin Gorda

Author Khuft
#34 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 16:00 
Germany Rothenburg 1984 Removed 1993

I think this refers to more than the town of Rothenburg. The title is "Rothenburg, Nördlingen, Dinkelsbühl", which at first sounds like Rothenburg is located in the adminstrative division of Nördlingen and that one within Dinkelsbühl. But actually the these are three different towns, all of them in NW Bavaria, close to the border with Baden-Württemberg. Presumably they were included within one site as they all seemingly have a preserved old town.

Author Solivagant
#35 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 16:26 
Re India - I can't track the date on which all of the sites were placed on or removed from India's T List. India submitted T Lists in 1981, 86 and 87 and we know what was on in 1995. Some which had been put on the T List in 1986 were not there in 1995 - but when they were removed I don't know. Similarly some were there in 1995 but I can't find when they were put on!

Guyana Fort Nassau 1985 Removed Nov 1995
Hungary Budapest Ghetto and 4 synagogues 1993 Removed 12/01
India Martand Temple J+K 1981 Removed 1998
India Gol Gumbad Bijapur Karnataka 1981 Removed 1998
India Gwalior - Nan Mandir + Teli-ka-mandir Pre 1995 Removed 1998
India Karla Caves 1981 Removed 1998
India Udiagiri and Khandagiri Caves Pre 1995 Removed 1998
India Kalibangan 1981 Removed 1998
India Mt Abu Pre 1995 Removed 1998
India Sikandra - Akbar's tomb 1981 Removed 1998
India Agra - I'timad-ud-Daulah tomb 1981 Removed 1998
India Khana NP 1986 Removed by 1995
India Ranthamobre NP 1986 Removed by 1995

Author Assif
#36 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 17:47 
Tanzania: Laetoli Site
Tanzania: Engaruka Ruins Park
Tanzania: Tendaguru Dinosaur Site
Tanzania: Lake Manyara National Park
Tanzania: Tarangire National Park
Tanzania: Mahale National Park
Tanzania: Ruaha National Park
Turkey: Phrygian rock-cut monuments (Kirka, Yikik Aslan Tas, Aslan Kaya, Aslan Tas, Maltas, Arezastis, etc.)
Turkey: The old city of Van and Lake Van
Turkey: Appollo Temple at Dydima
Turkey: Halikarnassos
Turkey: Assos: Hellenistic city walls
Turkey: Priene: a Hellenistic settlement built on Hippodamos plan
Turkey: Aspendos theater and the Roman aqueduct
Turkey: Kula-a typical Ottoman town near Manisa
Turkey: Kuscennaeti National Park
Turkey: Sultan Sazligi Waterfall Reserve Area
Turkey: Beydaglari Seashore National Park
Turkey: Dilek Peninsula National Park
Turkey: Marmaris - Gökova
Turkey: Köycegiz - L. Orientalis - Nature Reserve Area
Turkey: Köprülü Kanyon National Park
Turkey: Obruk, Maar and Travertine Conoids in Konya
Turkey: Egridir - Q. Vulcanica - Nature Reserve Area
Turkey: Birecik - Bald Ibis Reserve Area
Turkey: Güllük Dagi - Termessos - National Park
Turkey: Yedigöller National Park
Turkey: Salihli - Fossil Human Foot Traces
Turkey: Güven - Fish and Insect Fossils
Turkey: Crater of Nemrut
Turkey: Cilo - Sat Mountains
Turkey: Istanbul Bosphorus
Turkey: Karatepe - Aslantas National Park
Tunisia: Site de Ben Yasla
Tunisia: Maisons souterraines de Bulla Regia
Tunisia: Site arqueologique de Sbeitla
Tunisia: Ribat de Monastir
Tunisia: Ville andalouse de Testour
Tunisia: Ksar Hadada
Tunisia: Villaga pitonnier de Chenini
Tunisia: Matmata

Author Jakob
#37 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 03:58 
Polands Tentative list 1993 contains only unidentified nominations:

Districs: Cedynia-Chojna-Moryn,
Zulawy Wisly (The vistula Delta)
Lower Vistula Valley
Lowicz district
Area of Sejny and Wigry
Land of Wielun
historic district of Ksiaz
Góra Swietej Anny and surrounding
Tyniec-Bielany Salwator (in and near Krakow)
Ojcow -Pieskowa Skala (was nominated again in 2002 as Valley of Pradnik in Ojcowski NP)
Kazimierz Dolny-Janowiec-Naleczów

I already updated the german wiki page:

Author Solivagant
#38 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 04:55 | Edited by: Solivagant 
I already updated the german wiki page:

Nice site Jakob!! Do we assume that you have taken on the role of populating the entire series of Wikis re Welterbe on de.wikipedia? A big job!!

I have had a look at a few of the other countries under Europe and notice that this "work" is not complete across all countries for the 3rd section of "previously nominated" (I wish I could think of a better phrase as this is incorrect/ ambiguous since many of these sites have never actually been "Nominated" to the Inscribed list - only to the T List which hardly justifies the word "nominated"!) in addition to "inscribed" and "T List". e.g Germany is only partially done, UK is not done at all and you indicate above that you have only just "done" Poland. Does that imply that you yourself are only just "setting off" on this exercise?

And are you doing countries beyond Europe??

Author Jakob
#39 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 05:11 
I am trying to complete all countries, time by time, just to get an overview and link the tentative sites to existing wikipedia-entries. That way, when I travel to Croatia e.g. I will already know where to travel and not only have the names on the Tentative list.
I also want to implement the former Tentative lists, thats why I was asking here in the forum.
But since Els started with this catergory, it should be good to complete it on this website as well. Especially to evaluate the former sites and say whether they were suitable for whs or not.

Author hubert
#40 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 06:09 
I am trying to complete all countries

A great job and a very useful source of information, the page of Poland looks nice. I don't think that Wiki in any other language provides such a comprehensive overview.

But I agree with Solivagant that the use of the word "nominiert" is inconsistent.
Based on the example of the Polish wiki page I would suggest the following:

Subtitle: "Als Welterbe nominierte Stätten" better simply "Tentativliste".

And instead of the subtitle "Ehemalige nominierte Stätten" better "Ehemalige Einträge auf der Tentativliste" (former entries on the tentative list).
And in the text "Diese Einträge rangierten auf der nominativen Liste von Polen, sind aber nicht mehr gelistet " better "Diese Einträge rangierten auf der Tentativliste von Polen, sind aber nicht mehr gelistet."

Author Euloroo
#41 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 07:53 | Edited by: Euloroo 

Additionally, Maes Howe + Brogar should be removed as they are now inscribed.

By extension, the Neolithic Orkney page notes Deferral in 1990, but I think this should in fact be 1989.

Author Euloroo
#42 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 09:04 
Actually, I curiously can't find Maes Howe and Brogar in the 1989 Report although it's in the Agenda with Deferral recommended. The Report does state, "46. One State Party informed the Committee that the nomination of a cultural property in his country had been withdrawn." Perhaps this is a reference to it?

Author Solivagant
#43 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 11:20 | Edited by: Solivagant 
For the currrent excercise, I would choose:
a. Do we treat them separately and record both/all of them.

So - using the example of Bolivia's "Copacabana village" I am presuming that, when finding similar examples of T List entries which have been removed and replaced by something rather different/bigger we should register the site as originally described in the "Formerly on the T List" category on the basis that it is different enough from the later T List entry.

However it sometimes ought to be possible to link the ealiers site to the later directly. For instance - where is it possible to access UNESCO's Reference Number, this gives a useful linking factor. So, to use the Maes Howe example raised by Euloroo above,
a. In 1989 Ref No 514 "Maes Howe and Brogar" was deferred (Yes it WAS 1989!!)
b. In 1999 Ref No 514 Rev "Heart of Neolithic Orkney" was inscribed covering a bigger number of sites
In my view it is incorrect to record the original site as having "Formerly been on UKs T List". Rather the history of the inscribed site should cover the history as the SAME site as
1989 Nominated and deferred on recommendation of the Bureau as "Maes Howe and Brogar" for extension and increased protection
1989 On T List as "Mainland Orkney"
1999 Inscribed as "Heart of Neolithic Orkney" with 4 locations
In fact if you look at the T List Documentation for 2000 it shows "Heart of Mainland Orkney *"
where "* = Site has been inscribed on WH List" proving the linear connection!

However, where we are not sure that a current inscription or T List entry is directly linked by ID or other reason to an earlier T List entry it seems better (in terms of providing "useful" information etc) to err on the side of putting potentially extra entries under the "Former T List" grouping. BUT it would seem worthwhile to try to identify the linkage which may not always be clear from the title unless one is an expert in the country involved (as in the case of "Copacabana Village" and "Sacred Titicaca Lake".) In the description for Copacabana Village it would seem easy to privide a link to the T List entry for the lake and to state "Now included in Sacred Titicaca Lake" site. Similarly the Sacred Titicaca Lake description could easily include a link to the village and text "Includes Copacabana Village" (and if it were to include several former T List entries there would just be several links).

In the light of this I will add "Chittorgarh Fort" to the list of "Sites Formerly on the T List" of India. Yesterday I didn't do so on the basis that it eventually got inscribed as part of the "Hill Forts of Rajasthan". However the linkage here was not "continuous" and it seems worth having Chittorgarh separately identified with text to the effect that it eventually gained inscription as part of the Hill forts -with a link to that site.

Author elsslots
#44 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 12:12 
I've added the first couple of sites, until Bolivia:
- I created my own series of reference numbers (9100+), as we don't know the originals
- I use the year of the T List as the start year, and 1996 as end year when we don't know exactly

Author Solivagant
#45 | Posted: 2 Feb 2015 13:37 | Edited by: Solivagant 
India Chittorgarh Fort 1981 Removed 1998
Ireland All Identified
Iraq All Identified

Which takes us to ITALY!!!!
I have had a bit of difficulty with this
a. It is very large
b. It is in Italian
c. It is badly photo copied and quite difficult to read
d. It consists of long lists of similar sites without any indication of whether they should be grouped into larger "sites" or dealt with separately. I have occasionally grouped them together but have, on the whole, treated them separately
e. Italy is not by any means my favourite European country (yes I suspect I am in a minority on this Forum on that!) so I am not knowledgeable about the vast numbers of abbeys, towns, castles, palaces etc which have been listed!
f So, among the long list of sites which appear to me to have not been inscribed, on the current T List or our existing "no longer on T List" list there may be some which are -any "Italy experts" are welcome to go through it.
g. I have not so far been able to identify when many of this list were actually removed from the Italian T List. That for 1998 (New that year) contains 73 (SEVENTY THREE!!) sites and, at first sight, very few of them are in the following list from 1994. This is stated to be the 1984 list "updated" but, as I can't find the 1984 list it isn't clear how many of them are 1994 "newbies" and how many "originals". I have assumed that all date from the initial enthusiastic vision by which almost the whole of Italy would become a WHS!!
h. There is one site I just haven't been able to work out -no 19. It looks like "Revere Bozzolo". I can find "Bozzolo" -but there doesn't seem to be anything of significance there that I can see
Italy Port of Pyrgi 1984
Italy Veio 1984
Italy Segesta 1984
Italy Walls of Aosta 1984
Italy Piazza Armorina (Sicily) 1984
Italy Sanctuary of Fortuna, Palestrina 1984
Italy Pomposa Abbey 1984
Italy Torcello 1984
Italy Anagni 1984
Italy Viterbo 1984
Italy Bari Cathedral 1984
Italy Trani Cathedral 1984
Italy Otranto Cathedral 1984
Italy Bitonto Cathedral 1984
Italy Casamari Abbey 1984
Italy Fossanova abbey 1984
Italy Galluzzo Monastery Florence 1984
Italy Certosa di Pavia Monastery 1984
Italy Sacra di San Michele 1984
Italy Cortona - Piero della Francesca 1984
Italy Sansepolcro (Borgo) 1984
Italy Albenga 1984
Italy Novara 1984
Italy Cremona 1984
Italy Castles of the Trentino 1984
Italy Milan - Hospedale Maggiore (del Filarete) 1984
Italy Pomponesco 1984
Italy Riserva Bosco Fontana 1984
Italy Torino 1984
Italy Villa Di Caprarola (Farnese) 1984
Italy Villa Lante and Bagnaia 1984
Italy Ville Vesuviane 1984
Italy Tropea 1984
Italy San Fruttuoso, Portofino and Camogli 1984 still there in 1998
Italy Parco Nazionale della Stelvio 1984
Italy Casino Vanvitelliano 1984
Italy San Pellegrino 1984 still there in 1998
Italy Arco 1984
Italy Merano 1984
Italy Revere and Bozzolo 1984

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