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Author Khuft
Partaker
#151 | Posted: 21 Feb 2017 17:33 
Assif:
Yemen: Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'

I'm jumping way back here to 2 years ago when the former TL sites were compiled. Does anyone by any chance know what this Yemenite site is?

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#152 | Posted: 22 Feb 2017 02:09 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Khuft:
Assif: Yemen: Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'
I'm jumping way back here to 2 years ago when the former TL sites were compiled. Does anyone by any chance know what this Yemenite site is?

See the section on "Archaeological Sites in the Governorate of Dhamar" from the link below. I think it relates to the ancient city of "Beinoon" which is situated in the Province of Al-Hada'a!!!! I have had enough problems making sure I spelt Al-Hada'a correctly here and no doubt there are numerous alternatives so it is hardly surprising that variations should occur for "Beinoon" - "Naynoune" is pretty close really! (There is a "Beynoun St" in Sana'a). I have just done Yemen's T List so came up against that sort of problem many times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhamar_Governorate#Archaeological_and_Tourist_Sites_in_ Dhamar

As if to "prove the point" re alternative spellings - here is an Article in Wiki for "Baynun" Archaeological site! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baynun The link there under Ref 2 through to the Bradt guide provides some further info - and YET MORE alternative names! It seems quite a significant site with a museum etc etc - We didn't visit the placewhen we were in Yemen and, no doubt, it will stay off limits for many years to come unfortunately
If you put "Jabal Isbil" into Google maps to will get to the approx area but all the villages on the map are in Arabic only

Author Khuft
Partaker
#153 | Posted: 22 Feb 2017 17:44 
Thanks Solivagant!

Author Jakob
Partaker
#154 | Posted: 28 Feb 2017 11:07 | Edited by: Jakob 
I have a few remarks and questions regarding spain:

I did some tentative sites research a year ago and found some more former tentative sites:
Cathedral La Merced, Huelva 1985,
Santa María la Real de Nájera in Navarra, 1985
Bridge of Alcántara, 1995
Las Herrerías (Almeria),1995
City Ensemble Laguardia, Álava-Araba, 1998
ethnolgical park Torre del Ram, Punta Nati and Ses Truquerias,Ciutadella, 1998
Extension of Works of gaudi e.g Astorga, 2005
Dolmen de Valencia de Alcántara, 2012 (succesor of Dolmen route in Extremadura)
further questions:Madrid Palacio Real, is it not included in the new Nomination Prado y Retiro?
Did Ruta Colombina not include more than the current nomination in Huelva, e.g Marazon?

Since I try to keep the infromation straight on wikipedia at the same time, Id be happy to know what is the matter with the nominations I found a year ago. Thanks in advance

Author Assif
Partaker
#155 | Posted: 28 Feb 2017 14:11 
Hi Jakob,

I will try to answer your questions:

Cathedral of La Merced, Huelva: Can't find it. We may have missed it.

Santa Maria la Real de Najera in Navarra: Included in the current TWHS La Rioja wine CL.

Bridge of Alcantra: Included in the current TWHS Roman Ways.

Las Herrerias, Almeria: Included in current TWHS Mining historical heritage.

City Ensemble Laguardia: Included in current TWHS La Rioja wine CL.

Ethnological park Torre del Ram, Punta Nati and Ses Truquerias, Ciutadella: Included in current TWHS Talayotic Culture of Minorca.

Gaudi extension (Astorga): Can't find it. We may have missed it.

Dolmen de Valencia de Alcantara: Same.

Madrid Palacio Real: Indeed not a part of the current TWHS Prado and Retiro.

Ruta Colombina: The original TWHS Ruta Colombina was the same as the current one. It included locations in Huelva and Palos de la Frontera.

Author Khuft
Partaker
#156 | Posted: 28 Feb 2017 14:30 
Assif:
Gaudi extension (Astorga): Can't find it. We may have missed it.

I believe Astorga (or specifically: the Episcopal Palace of Astorga, which Gaudí renovated and reinterpreted) is part of the original Route of Santiago de Compostella site... at least I found it in the massive 2079 page Doc from 2014 called "Route of Santiago de Compostela - Maps of inscribed property" - page 1451 of the pdf, code 1709.

Author Khuft
Partaker
#157 | Posted: 28 Feb 2017 14:43 | Edited by: Khuft 
Khuft:
massive 2079 page Doc from 2014 called "Route of Santiago de Compostela - Maps of inscribed property" - page 1451 of the pdf, code 1709.

BTW - for those members of the group valiantly compiling the map data for all the TWHS sites (kudos to all of you!!): the Spanish rock art site is not, after all, the most mind-boggling serial site of all. The originial Route of Santiago seems to contain not only the route itself, but also a massive 1912 individual monuments (churches, houses, townscapes, etc etc - not necessarily contiguous to the Route!) as per that doc. Page 157 clusters them geographically as follows:

I. Aragón: Huesca y Zaragoza - Code 1 - 148
II. Navarra 149 - 526
III. La Rioja 527 - 610
IV. Castilla y León 1: Burgos 979 - 1 315
V. Castilla y León 2: Palencia, León oriental y León capital 1 316 - 1 672
VI. Castilla y León 3: León occidental 1 673 - 1 912
VII. Galicia: Lugo y A Coruña 611 - 978

Coordinates are given for each of them (or rather: there are maps for each of them, from which one can imply the coordinates) - but I guess we won't find any volunteers to compile all this...

The UNESCO website BTW seems to list only the coordinates of the recently-added Coastal routes.

Author Jakob
Partaker
#158 | Posted: 28 Feb 2017 18:24 
Wow,

great amount of monuments that are suddenly part of the WHS, without knowing it. Maybe there is a website, map or we could ask for one, with a better overviewand the coordinates of all single monuments, but its great!

Author Jakob
Partaker
#159 | Posted: 6 Mar 2017 02:36 
I would think, that the coordinates will appear sometime soon on the unesco website, maybe in 6 months? So we could wait, whether someting will happen before we have to locate every single chruch, bridge etc, that are mentioned in the Nomination file!

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#160 | Posted: 6 Mar 2017 04:48 
Khuft:
BTW - for those members of the group valiantly compiling the map data for all the TWHS sites (kudos to all of you!!): the Spanish rock art site is not, after all, the most mind-boggling serial site of all. The originial Route of Santiago seems to contain not only the route itself, but also a massive 1912 individual monuments (churches, houses, townscapes, etc etc - not necessarily contiguous to the Route!) as per that doc. Page 157 clusters them geographically as follows:

I would massively discourage adding each and every monument to the map. There are just limits to what the map can hold and when it loses it usefulness.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#161 | Posted: 6 Mar 2017 04:54 
nfmungard:
There are just limits to what the map can hold and when it loses it usefulness.

Out of interest - how many locations/pairs of coordinates do we currently have for WHS and T WHS (Ball park will do!)

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#162 | Posted: 6 Mar 2017 05:43 
Solivagant:
Out of interest - how many locations/pairs of coordinates do we currently have for WHS and T WHS (Ball park will do!)

I don#t have the most current data (not required for my work). Only Els can tell.

If we really plan to have all locations for a site, we should move to three to four levels:
* Primary location -> Visible on all maps including global maps and profile pages, unless clustering is in place.
* Secondary location -> Visible on country, hotspot and site map.
* Tertiary location -> Visible only on site map. Official location
* POI location -> Visible only on site map. Inofficial, but legit location.

The backend changes we did should facilitate future changes to the locations.

Author Jakob
Partaker
#163 | Posted: 7 Mar 2017 02:14 
For Colombia I found as well Cultrual landscape of Villa de Leyva (nominated between 2001-2005).

Didi we miss it, or is it inlcuded in a different nomination?

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#164 | Posted: 7 Mar 2017 02:47 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Jakob:
Cultrual landscape of Villa de Leyva (nominated between 2001-2005).
Didi we miss it, or is it inlcuded in a different nomination?

It is the seventh item (of 7) in Colombia's "South of Ricaurte Province" T List entry -
This is a "Mixed" proposal and Villa de Leyva is mentioned several times in the description e.g "Villa de Leyva being the town in the region which attracts more visitors each year."

See the "site History" of the Ricaurte Province entry on this Web site - http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/twhs.php?id=5771

Author elsslots
Admin
#165 | Posted: 7 Mar 2017 11:46 
Solivagant:
Out of interest - how many locations/pairs of coordinates do we currently have for WHS and T WHS (Ball park will do!)

We now have 8657 locations, of which 3745 are TWHS

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