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Author elsslots
Admin
#466 | Posted: 13 Jan 2022 06:40 
Zoe:
Durostorum - Drustur should be

Done! You're not staring at Roman Limes all day, are you?

Author Zoe
Partaker
#467 | Posted: 13 Jan 2022 09:06 
elsslots:
Done! You're not staring at Roman Limes all day, are you?

LOL I'm a fan of never-ending extensions :)) The one at the port of town is probably also wrong, and maybe most of the other official coordinates.

Author Zoe
Partaker
#468 | Posted: 15 Feb 2022 16:38 
Karatepe-AslantaƟ Archaeological Site
The site is north of what we have now, this is the best I can offer, sorry :p
77W2+CW Kadirli, Osmaniye, Turkey

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#469 | Posted: 17 Feb 2022 06:20 
Zoe:
Karatepe-AslantaƟ Archaeological Site
The site is north of what we have now, this is the best I can offer, sorry

Yep, it looks like it is on the headland here:
37.296280, 36.252307

Author elsslots
Admin
#470 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 06:05 | Edited by: elsslots 
I have added locations for the ca. 10 TWHS that were still on 0.

However, for the following 2 I have nothing except for a vague idea, which is not enough to pinpoint it to a specific location:
- North Sinai (Egypt) : http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/189/
- Al Hassania NP (Sudan) : http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6517/

Any ideas?

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#471 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 08:47 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Hassania NP - 17.783215, 33.176479 (approx)
Source - https://www.protectedplanet.net/317310

N Sinai Arch Sites Zone
Somewhat harder.
The UNESCO description is useless - "The Mediterranean Coastal strip of North sinai stretching between the Suez canal and Ghaza as the most important land bridge linking Egypt and Canaan from predynastic times onward. The well-traveld high ways of the North sinai facilitated the military expeditions of the egyptian pharoes on their way to Canaan and Asia as well as the invoding arms of Persia, Greece and Rome."
Wiki states "a collection of important ancient sites between the Suez Canal and Gaza along the Mediterranean coast of Egypt." and "in 2020, limestone cave decorated with scenes of animals such as donkeys, camels, deer, mule and mountain goats was uncovered in the area of Wadi Al-Zulma by the archaeological mission from the Tourism and Antiquities Ministry."
Unfortunately the site was added to the T LIst in 1994 so that 2020 discovery can't be directly relevant!

But this Web site provides some direct evidence for 3 other locations - together with the assertion that the sites ARE part of the "N Sinai Archaeological sites zone" T List entry! A problem would seem to be that 2 of the sites are 16th C Islamic forts and only 1 (the first below) is described in terms which would seem to fit the UNESCO text - "Site History: First Millennium BC / Oldest Culture: Ancient Egyptians / Later Cultures: Nabataean + Roman / Site Features: Ancient Egyptian & Nabataean & Roman Monuments"

Ain al Qudairat Fort - 30.583332, 34.484166 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_el-Qudeirat )

Al-Arish Castle - 31.121844, 33.798333

An-Nekhel Fortress - 29.900415, 33.750742 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nekhel_Fortress . Another "worry" with this one is that this Fort was added to Egypt's T List in its own right in 2003!

Author elsslots
Admin
#472 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 08:59 | Edited by: elsslots 
Solivagant:
Hassania NP - 17.783215, 33.176479 (approx)
Source - https://www.protectedplanet.net/317310

Wonderful. Seems not to show anything specific, but it's a desert anyway.

Solivagant:
N Sinai Arch Sites Zone

I also looked at the Wikipedia page and wondered about the relevance of the caves. I will go for your forts, that there is a double entry among them with an existing TWHS isn't strange for the messy Egyptian T List.
It also could include this one: https://egyptindependent.com/egypt-plans-to-place-n-sinais-farma-archaeological-area-on-world-tourism-map/ (also without an exact location)

Author elsslots
Admin
#473 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 09:20 | Edited by: elsslots 
P.S.:
Seeing them now together at our map, I think
Solivagant:
An-Nekhel Fortress

lies too far south to be included.
The description says "Coastal Strip".

Author elsslots
Admin
#474 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 09:23 
I wonder where Clyde and Pascal Cauliez think this is, as they have 'ticked' it.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#475 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 10:08 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
I think
Solivagant:
An-Nekhel Fortress lies too far south to be included.
The description says "Coastal Strip".

True - but it is still within the boundaries of the "North Sinai Governate". It might be that the entire site is that Governate's "baby" and they have tried to include everything of note! I note that your description mentions "The sites may include the rock art of Wadi al-Zulma and the al-Farma archaeological area ("a stop on the path of the Holy Family").". Where did that come from???
I have actually self-driven that highway from Taba to Suez through Nekhel - as long ago as 1992 and I don't remember anything of note (and didn't "claim" it!).

This map of N Sinai shows "all" (??) of its archaeological sites but I can't find any links to a UNESCO T List for other than for the 3 already identified - even if e.g El Faram , Tell Abyad, Ostracine and Tel Abu Salima (the site shown in Hebrew script) seem better candidates both because of their antiquity and because of their geographic location .
.

Author elsslots
Admin
#476 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 10:13 
Solivagant:
"The sites may include the rock art of Wadi al-Zulma and the al-Farma archaeological area ("a stop on the path of the Holy Family").". Where did that come from???

I did write the text. Probably I got it from the news links?

Author hubert
Partaker
#477 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 14:29 
elsslots:
It also could include this one: https://egyptindependent.com/egypt-plans-to-place-n-sinais-farma-archaeological-area-on-world-tourism-map/ (also without an exact location)

Most likely "al-Farma archaeological area" means this one: Pelusium (al-Farama), 31.041667, 32.545
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelusium

Author elsslots
Admin
#478 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 15:00 
Ah, yes! Thanks for finding it.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#479 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 17:54 
I went off on a slightly different path on the Northern Sinai arcahelogical sites and I came across this map that shows a concentration of sites along the coastal strip, though it is lacking a little in specific details. (original source)

There is a cluster around El Qantara which seems to relate to one of the few sites I have specifically been able to name as the likley location of Tjaru it is located here 30.857200, 32.350600, but there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of evidence in satalite photos.

It comes from investigations in the late 90's/ early 00's so probably isn't what was originally planned with this propossal, but it is so vague it is hard to pin it to specifics

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#480 | Posted: 21 Mar 2022 19:25 | Edited by: Astraftis 
elsslots:
- Al Hassania NP (Sudan) : http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6517/

Just about this, I was looking on the map at the area west of Ad-Damir, or Al Damar, or however one wants to spell it, and the only reference I could find a tenuous match with is this Jabal Dubeir, with the "Jabel Topper" mentioned by the dossier, which is an unprecedented name if it is Arabic. Unfortunately, transcriptions from Arabic are a total mess, and the equivalence Dubeir/Topper would not be so strange. Since it is given as the southwest border of the NP, the area might lie slightly to the north and to the east (closer to this "50kms from Al Damai") of the point found by Solivagant, but this is just nitpicking. I couldn't find any other of the cited names in the area. Web searches for them seem just to point to this file.

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