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Author Solivagant
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#76 | Posted: 25 Oct 2016 04:02 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
These must be hills

A few more

540-030 Izhorsky Bench (Glint)
A "Glint" is the same as "Klint" as in "Stevns Klint" i.e a cliff - and this is a part of the "Baltic Klint". See with a map - http://www.klint.envir.ee/klint/eng/4.html ).
Another description - "The Izhora Plateau is an elevated landform on Ordovician limestone bedrock in the southwestern part of Leningrad Oblast, between the Gulf of Finland in the north and the Luga River in the south. Its northern edge is formed by the erosional cliff known as the Baltic-Ladoga Klint. The highest part of the plateau is the Orekhovaya hill of Duderhof Heights at 176 m, situated in its extreme northeastern part. The plateau is mostly covered by agricultural lands. It used to be the heartland of the historical region known as Ingria."
A problem is which EXACT part of it to use for the coordinates! There even seems to be some argument as to where the "Highest point" of the Russian section is - the one cited in the link at Koporye is perhaps a bit too far from St Petersburg itself.
Another quote states "In the south Saint Petersburg crosses the Baltic-Ladoga Klint and meets the Izhora Plateau." - but that is going to take us back to e.g the Duderof Heights again!!
So - at the moment I reach no conclusion! One does wonder where the "OUV is in these "Heights"/"Elevations"!! I had assumed before hand that they might in some way have been related to e.g the defence of Leningrad - but this doesn't apparently seem to be the case

540-031 Dudergofskie Elevations
The instructions for how to get for them are here under no 8 - https://spbfriendly.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/12-attractions-around-saint-petersburg/
I think that "Mogaisk" in these instructions is shown on Google maps as "Mozhaskaya" - which is where the instructions from Krasnoye Selo lead. Google Sat view shows this indeed to be a hilly area. This point is at/near the hill top and is close to a photo on Google maps shwoing a "hilly view titled "Дудергофские высоты" = "Duderof Heights"
59.698470, 30.130397

540-033 Yukkovskaya Elevation
I think this is related to a place called "Yukki" situated N of St Petersburg. It is a skiing area - See from http://www.magazine-rest.in.ua/en/articles/ski_resorts_in_leningrad_region.html - "YUKKI - Kosmolovo......The most famous is the resort Ohta Park... located near the village of Syragi.... on the slope of a hill Yukkovskoy , with a height difference of 50 meters"
Syragi and Kosmolovo are around 13kms from Yukki - but unfortunately the hill "Yukkovskoy" isn't mentioned on google maps. Ohta Park ski resort does have its own Web site but doesn't really provide any extra information!
We could just choose coordinates from the nearby hills?

540-036 The memorial in memory of the defense of the city in 1941-1944 the Green Belt of the Glory of Leningrad
This is rather easier and indeed I visited a part of it on my last visit to St P in 2007!!
It does create a problem for us however as the "Green Ring" isn't a single location but a number of defensive rings N, S and W of St Petersburg from WWII marked by around 80 memorials (You will see one on the road in from Pulkovo Airport even if you don't see any others.)
Here is a map - http://www.aroundspb.ru/maps/lo1979/glory.jpg
Perhaps the best solution is to take the most significant memorial and use it as the "Location" for all of them. This is at Пло́щадь Побе́ды, Ploschad Pobedy to the south of the city and was the location we visited. It is titled "Memorial to the Heroic Defenders of Leningrad" and has the usual Soviet "Socialist Realism" style bronze statues together with an underground memorial and mosaic. It is situated at
59.842978, 30.321861

Author elsslots
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#77 | Posted: 25 Oct 2016 11:17 
Solivagant:
540-030 Izhorsky Bench (Glint)

There's a (huge) document on the Unesco website that shows all locations on maps.
http://whc.unesco.org/document/128572

540-030 indeed is a hill range / Cliffs just north of the Dudergofskie Elevations. Looks like a long stretch, from Gostilitsy in the west to Pulkovskaya Observatory in the east. I haven't found a significant element yet

Author Solivagant
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#78 | Posted: 25 Oct 2016 12:43 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Interesting maps -and very complicated with all the "sub units" of UNESCO "locations"!
I have noticed these Connections

Artificial Island
540-003b12 Fort Alexander I -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Alexander_(Saint_Petersburg) and also Tolbukhin Island - "The lighthouse is situated on a small artificial island 3 miles west of the Kotlin island.". Also numerous "Batteries" (540-003 b3-b9

Lighthouses
Several - http://www.visit-saint-petersburg.ru/lighthouse/

By the way - could we have a lit of sites sequenced (descending) by number of "connections" - even if only the Top 25 or 100 - Rome presumably but St Petersburg has a lot!! It is interesting I think to "know".

Author Solivagant
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#79 | Posted: 25 Oct 2016 15:15 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
There's a (huge) document on the Unesco website that shows all locations on maps.

So a few clarifications/corrections of my earlier proposals made above without access to these 48 pages of maps

540-033 Yukkovskaya Elevation
Is indeed located next to "village" of Yukki. Using Map page 14 I have chosen this location in a clearing in the woodland
60.104435, 30.265457

540-036 The memorial in memory of the defense of the city in 1941-1944 the Green Belt of the Glory of Leningrad
Although the sketch map I referred to above appeared to include the memorial at Victory Sq the "48 page" maps show that this element is limited ONLY to the Belt itself and monuments directly thereon - which "Victory Sq is not! This link has a list of such memorials. I guess we could find and choose one. I can't really make out one which is more "significant" than any other - http://enclo.lenobl.ru/object/1803429996?lc=en
The "Katyusha" memorial mentioned among all the other memorials is here (verified with Google Earth)
60.062125, 30.742226 (photo - n.tracesofwar.com/article/18015/Katyusha-Memorial-Uglovo.htm )

Author elsslots
Admin
#80 | Posted: 26 Oct 2016 00:47 
Solivagant:
a few clarifications/corrections

A picked a spot for Izhorsky Bench (Glint) too, so we're done with St. Petersburg!

Author elsslots
Admin
#81 | Posted: 26 Oct 2016 00:55 
Solivagant:
By the way - could we have a lit of sites sequenced (descending) by number of "connections" - even if only the Top 25 or 100 - Rome presumably but St Petersburg has a lot!! It is interesting I think to "know".

Here it is: http://www.worldheritagesite.org/connperwhs.php

Author elsslots
Admin
#82 | Posted: 26 Oct 2016 06:54 
Tom Flaten sent me this:

"The Norwegian WHS site "Vegaøyan" is now placed almost midway between Norway and Iceland. Vega isn't that remote. At the UNESCO website it is placed at this position: N65 37 0.012 E11 45 0. This WHS site covers quite a large area of sea and small islands, but I think the position given at the UNESCO website is fine."

I'll update it!

Author paul
Partaker
#83 | Posted: 26 Oct 2016 08:45 
Strasbourg is currently near Chartres!

Coordinates of the Notre Dame are 48.581667, 7.750833

Author elsslots
Admin
#84 | Posted: 26 Oct 2016 11:11 
paul:
Coordinates of the Notre Dame are 48.581667, 7.750833

Thanks! Updated

Author paul
Partaker
#85 | Posted: 27 Oct 2016 13:24 
The Santuário do Bom Jesus do Matosinhos is slightly off. Also on the unesco site and wiki!

The coordinates are -20.507986,-43.860726

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#86 | Posted: 27 Oct 2016 15:59 
If anyone is interested: We get around 500-1000 daily map calls, well within the free quota at google :)

Author elsslots
Admin
#87 | Posted: 28 Oct 2016 09:16 
paul:
The Santuário do Bom Jesus do Matosinhos is slightly off. Also on the unesco site and wiki!

Changed it! Although Google Maps could be off too of course.

nfmungard:
If anyone is interested: We get around 500-1000 daily map calls, well within the free quota at google :)

Good to hear.

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#88 | Posted: 4 Nov 2016 22:22 
The Castro church for Chiloe is placed too far south. Should be: -42.4810583,-73.7596067,

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#89 | Posted: 5 Nov 2016 04:35 | Edited by: Solivagant 
There are a couple of things wrong regarding the coordinates for the Antonine Wall
a. If one zooms in on the map of the World then the coordinates for locations of Hadrian's Wall and the Limes appear OK - but none at all for the Antonine wall. However - if one goes to the UK country map or the "Frontiers" site map then Antonine Wall location coordinates are present. Strange??
b. Those coordinates however are clearly partially incorrect. They are ok at the Eastern end but then go haywire and are scattered north and south.
I can't remember who provided these coordinates since they are not among the UNESCO list of locations which only lists those for Hadrian's and the Limes. Additional location numbers must have been given by us to the Antonine wall locations? This might explain their non appearance in the "World Map"?

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#90 | Posted: 5 Nov 2016 07:25 | Edited by: nfmungard 
Solivagant
For the world and the users we only show one primary location per country and site. For the site page we show all. For the country we show those that are mapped to the country. So Antonine Wall should show (as of now) only in the country and the site page.

I have to agree that the antonine wall looks rather wild, though.

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