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Author JonasK
Partaker
#1 | Posted: 26 Jun 2014 16:51 | Edited by: JonasK 
Hi!
Does anybody know if there is a list of the 273 component sites of Qhapaq Nan available online?

Thanks
Jonas

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 27 Jun 2014 04:57 
I don't have much as I only got around to mapping a few countries proposed sites, but this is my estimate of them, whether these are the places inscribed I'm not sure.

Map

This covers Argentina, Bolivia (I only have one point though), Chile and Colombia, so it is missing the sites in Ecuador and Peru.

Hope it is of some use.

Author elsslots
Admin
#3 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 12:35 
The nomination file is now available:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1459/documents/

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 01:50 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Els, I just finished my review for Qhapac Nan. On my profile it shows I visited Qhapac Nan (Argentina). Is there a way to identify the correct country? I only visited Peru. I've noticed this with some of the multination WHS, when reviewing the site, there is sometimes no identifiable choice concerning the country.

Author elsslots
Admin
#5 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 13:22 
winterkjm:
Is there a way to identify the correct country?

I'll try to think of a solution, but it's not easily doable.

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 18:01 
I could perhaps change/edit my review. Or copy the review, delete, and then post in the correct location? Let me know, not a big deal.

Author elsslots
Admin
#7 | Posted: 10 Jul 2014 03:16 
winterkjm:
copy the review, delete, and then post in the correct location

This will not work, a WHS is one entry (not one for each country)

Author Khuft
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 10 Jul 2014 17:09 
elsslots:
The nomination file is now available:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1459/documents/


Great! Though a shocking 550 MB big.
Also, turns out I did "visit" Qhapaq Nan when I was at Puente del Inca, in the vicinity of Mendoza and the Aconcagua mountain, ages ago - excellent! I thought they would have skipped it since a hotel was built around it because of the nearby hot springs (the hotel is a ruin now), but no, there it is, on page 233 of the file.

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 16 Jul 2014 03:23 
Sacsayhuaman is not included in Qhapac Nan, correct?

I can't remember, it was quite a long time ago, but in the forum there was a discussion about Sacsayhuaman. Is it part of the Cuzco WHS? I thought not. I also did not see any document within Qhapan Nan that confirmed Sacsayhuaman as part of the inscribed property.

Author elsslots
Admin
#10 | Posted: 16 Jul 2014 14:01 
winterkjm:
Sacsayhuaman is not included in Qhapac Nan, correct?

No, not in the core zone (it is in the buffer zone & also referred to in the nomination doc). It's not part of the Cuzco WHS either.

Author Assif
Partaker
#11 | Posted: 5 Aug 2014 18:25 
Now after going through the nomination file I am not sure whether the Quebrada de Humahuaca including Tilcara and Coctaca are within the nominated area. All are mentioned in the nomination file, but is that a sure indication that they are indeed included. I recall Aquincum that was mentioned in the Budapest nomination file and was nonetheless outside the nominated area.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#12 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 04:08 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Assif:
I am not sure whether the Quebrada de Humahuaca including Tilcara and Coctaca are within the nominated area.

Agreed - they are NOT included in the Qapac Nan inscription.

The Qapac Nan nomination file is very long and complex and, whilst including sections on the entire Qapac Nan, doesn't permit easy identification of which smaller parts of the whole are actually included. So the Qebrada de Humahuaca gets exposure for having a major section of the Qapac but a detailed reading of the maps makes it clear that the (relatively) nearby inscribed section is NOT a part of the Quebrada inscription.

The relevant segment of Qapac Nan is "Quebrada Grande - Las Escaleras Code: AR-QGE-01/C-2011." This is the only segment situated in the province of Jujuy in which the Quebrada de Humahuaca is also totally situated.
The map provided for the Quebrada inscription isn't very good but shows a "greyed" inscribed area following a generally N-S direction shared with Route 9. The relevant area for assessing any possible overlap with the Qapac Nan inscription is that between the towns of Humahuaca and Huacalera. Google Maps shows these to be 29 kms apart.
The relevant map in the Qapac Nan nomination is on page 1922 of the Adobe Nomination document. It shows quite clearly that the nominated segment of the Qapac Nan is situated SE of Humahuaca and SE of a town named "Santa Ana" and very close to the border of Salta province to the east. This section is a relatively short stretch of "road" (see map on page 1929)
Google Maps shows Santa Ana (AKA Valle Grande) unconnected by direct road (according to Google) to Humahuaca approx the same straight line distance from Humahuaca as is Huacalera. This must place it outside the "grey" inscribed area of the Quebrada map since a 29km circle from Humahuaca goes well beyond any area inscribed to the SE of Humahuaca. This is also supported by the smaller scale Qapac Nan map on page 1921 map which shows Santa Ana to be in a different valley from that of the Quebrada which follows the main N-S valley -with, I suspect, its watershed as the boundary.

It is also perhaps worth noting that the section of the Qapac Nan nomination which describes sections already under protection of some sort refers to the "Biosphere Reserve Yungas (Declared by UNESCO in 2002 within the framework of the MaB Programme" and not to any WHS inscription for this segment.

PS. I have just looked up Valle Grande and got this web site http://www.argentinaturismo.com.ar/vallegrande/
It refers to "La posibilidad de llegar hasta la Quebrada de Humahuaca en una emocionante travesía;" which clearly supports the conclusion that Quebrada de Humahuaca is separate from Valle Grande and "over" the mountains - albeit not that far!

Author elsslots
Admin
#13 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 11:57 
Solivagant:
The relevant map in the Qapac Nan nomination is on page 1922 of the Adobe Nomination document. It shows quite clearly that the nominated segment of the Qapac Nan is situated SE of Humahuaca and SE of a town named "Santa Ana" and very close to the border of Salta province to the east. This section is a relatively short stretch of "road" (see map on page 1929)Google Maps shows Santa Ana (AKA Valle Grande) unconnected by direct road (according to Google) to Humahuaca approx the same straight line distance from Humahuaca as is Huacalera. This must place it outside the "grey" inscribed area of the Quebrada map since a 29km circle from Humahuaca goes well beyond any area inscribed to the SE of Humahuaca. This is also supported by the smaller scale Qapac Nan map on page 1921 map

I do agree that the Qhapaq Nan nom file is terrible to handle. But what do you think of the map on page 1920? The Quebrada (including Purmamarca, Tilcara etc) is shown within the red borders of a core zone.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#14 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 12:21 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
But what do you think of the map on page 1920? The Quebrada (including Purmamarca, Tilcara etc) is shown within the red borders of a core zone.


The map is described as "Relacion con el sitio Paisaje Cultural-Quebrada de Humahuaca"
i.e the relationship between the inscribed Qapac Nan and the Quebrada. I don't believe it shows or is intended to show that the quebrada is inscribed. Only locations and sites with reference codes (as per AR-QGE-01/C-2011) are part of the inscribed Qapac Nan -and the Quebrada has no reference code. It specifically shows that the "Seccion Quebrada Grande - Las Escaleras" is 18kms beyond the edge of the Quebrada buffer zone.

Quite why they bothered to put in a map showing this relationship I am not clear -especially since, as far as I can see, it isn't referred to anywhere in the text!!

Author elsslots
Admin
#15 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 12:30 
I think you're right. They are trying to show that the nearest stretch, around Santa Ana, is 18km away.

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