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Author elsslots
Admin
#76 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 06:09 
Amendment by Bahrain (supported by 11 others) to give Australia more time (til 46th session, so in 2 years)

Author elsslots
Admin
#77 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 06:21 
Norway seems to be the only whc member so far that dares to speak out against the stream of countries that want to soften any measure against other countries. This seems to be a very weak group of WHC members.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#78 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 06:25 
Brisbane will host the Olympic Games in 2032, it would be a bad image for Australia to have its barrier in danger.

Author elsslots
Admin
#79 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 06:31 
jonathanfr:
a bad image for Australia to have its barrier in danger.

This is the common mistake that 95% of the whc members make as well - it should not be a shame, but a call to (urgent) action as it is going the wrong way rapidly.

Author elsslots
Admin
#80 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 06:43 | Edited by: elsslots 
One of the most common arguments among the whc members is "Australia cannot solve climate change by itself" -> no, but can Nepal be held responsible for an earthquake that hit them? It is beyond the point, we have a world class site that is deteriorating rapidly and if no way is found to halt it, it will disappear.

Australia is allowed to react. No apologies to China or the chair however regarding earlier statements by that minister (Russia and Ethiopia did condemn it explicitly). Chair Tian picked up on this as well and thanks Russia and Ethiopia.

Author Khuft
Partaker
#81 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:00 
elsslots:
Australia is allowed to react. No apologies to China or the chair however regarding earlier statements by that minister (Russia and Ethiopia did condemn it explicitly). Chair Tian picked up on this as well and thanks Russia and Ethiopia.

China strikes back - it backs Norway's amendment to keep the original date for the next report: i.e. next year (instead of 2023). So Australia will basically be back in the hot seat next year.

Author elsslots
Admin
#82 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:00 
elsslots:
Amendment by Bahrain (supported by 11 others) to give Australia more time (til 46th session, so in 2 years)

It will be 45th session, Norway amendment (the time is now).

The other weaklings at the whc find a way to water it down again, omitting the referral to a possible in danger listing next year.

Author elsslots
Admin
#83 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:05 | Edited by: elsslots 
Next: Sundarbans (Bangladesh). Amendment to remove the threatening with in danger listing in 2022.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#84 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:18 
jonathanfr:
jonathanfr:
Khuft:
On this basis, the following are now proposed for Inscription:
- Petroglyphs of Lake Onega
- Sudanese-style mosques
- Paseo del Prado
- Nice
- Rock Art of Hima Najran
- Getbol Korean Tidal Flats
- Kaeng Krachan
- Mathildenhöhe Darmstadt
- Tell d'Arslantepe
- Settlement and Artificial Mummification of the Chinchorro Culture in the Arica and Parinacota Region

Another amendment in favor of an inscription:

The Glorious Kakatiya Temples and Gateways – Rudreshwara (Ramappa) Temple, Palampet, Jayashankar Bhupalpally District, Telangana State

Author elsslots
Admin
#85 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:21 
jonathanfr:
Another amendment in favor of an inscription:

It seems there are only 2 ways: you give up and withdraw, or you get inscribed. Nothing in between anymore. Seeing the WHC behave over the past days, I am afraid that the whole bunch will be inscribed as they symphatize with other countries and don't listen much to the AB's.

Author elsslots
Admin
#86 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:24 
I like the Chinese WHC member. He always throws in a fun fact or two!

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#87 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:27 
Ethiopia seems to be a "good guy" who participates a lot in the drafting of amendments, unlike Norway.
Still, Holqa Sof Umar will not be supported by other countries and appears to have been withdrawn.

Author Khuft
Partaker
#88 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:41 
elsslots:
It seems there are only 2 ways: you give up and withdraw, or you get inscribed. Nothing in between anymore. Seeing the WHC behave over the past days, I am afraid that the whole bunch will be inscribed as they symphatize with other countries and don't listen much to the AB's.

It fits with the direction the Committee has been on in the past years.
And to a certain extent, I have some sympathy for them (I know, this is an unpopular opinion). The creation of dossiers for nominations has become more and more complex, more expensive too! (Just check the recent ones vs the ones from the 90s). The Advisory Bodies have more and more things to moan about - compare with Selous's inscription in 1982, when IUCN was fine with a dam being built in the core area! State Parties are not willing to see all their money going down the drain - or even worse, having to create a new dossier following a Deferral or Referral.

In addition, the current stringency of the Advisory Bodies affects in particular poorer countries, who don't have the resources to create fancy dossiers that address any possible criticism by ABs. No wonder they have particularly little regard for the ABs recommendations - anything the ABs demand means higher costs for them. As an additional consequence of this, we see less and less nominations by poorer countries, while rich countries such as Germany manage to produce acceptable dossiers on an industrial scale. In the early days, Ethiopia could inscribe half a dozen sites with little problems; now, it's much harder.

Author elsslots
Admin
#89 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 07:49 | Edited by: elsslots 
Khuft:
The creation of dossiers for nominations has become more and more complex, more expensive too! (Just check the recent ones vs the ones from the 90s).

The thing is however that they also support countries (Spain, France, Germany) that have no problem paying for it year after year, while the intrinsic quality of their proposals deteriorates. Ethiopia should oppose that, but instead it keeps the practice alive and actively sustains it. While it had to withdraw its own one proposal

Author Khuft
Partaker
#90 | Posted: 23 Jul 2021 08:22 
elsslots:
Ethiopia should oppose that, but instead it keeps the practice alive and actively sustains it.

True! I guess there's a lot of lobbying and exchanging of favours going on in the background. At least it looks like we'll avoid "Non-Inscribes" moving to "Inscribes" this year (as per the egregious decisions on Al-Ahsa and Naumburg a few years ago).

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