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Author Khuft
Partaker
#76 | Posted: 22 Jun 2021 14:59 
nfmungard:
winterkjm:
2) Frontiers of the Roman Empire – The Danube Limes [Western Segment] (Austria / Germany / Hungary / Slovakia)

Wasn't Hungary out?

Didn't they just want to take one or a few sites out of the nomination at the last minute? And ICOMOS of course couldn't review the impact on the OUV this may have - so they instead decided to withdraw and resubmit with reduced series of sites?

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#77 | Posted: 22 Jun 2021 18:08 
Jurre:
Venice may be put on endangered list if cruise ships not banned, says Unesco

This would be great, I hope it would help turn the situation into what I think is the right direction, that is banning cruise ships from Venice.

Author elsslots
Admin
#78 | Posted: 22 Jun 2021 21:16 
Khuft:
Didn't they just want to take one or a few sites out of the nomination at the last minute? And ICOMOS of course couldn't review the impact on the OUV this may have - so they instead decided to withdraw and resubmit with reduced series of sites?

Yes indeed, it was only one Hungarian location or so, not all of them

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#79 | Posted: 24 Jun 2021 11:09 
"Study on sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories"

"This study concludes that sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories do not normally relate to the purpose and scope of the World Heritage Convention and the broader purpose of UNESCO to build the foundations of peace."

Appendix E: WORLD HERITAGE SITES ASSOCIATED WITH RECENT CONFLICTS AND OTHER NEGATIVE
AND DIVISIVE MEMORIES INSCRIBED UNDER CRITERION (VI) - 18 Inscribed Sites

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#80 | Posted: 24 Jun 2021 18:58 | Edited by: Astraftis 
carlosarion:
winterkjm:
Gdańsk Shipyard – the birthplace of "Solidarity" and the symbol of the Fall of the Iron Curtain in Europe (Poland)

Poor Poland, but not surprised. They tried to have heritage properties in Gdansk in 1997-1998 (withdrawn) and 2005 with a different focus, scope, and narrative each time but obviously failed.

Actually I admit it was quite funny to read the report smashing, amongst many skeptical quotation marks, the hopes of inscription for such an unpresentable (from a WHS perspective) site. And it is the second time it happens, from what I see!

winterkjm:
"Study on sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories"

"This study concludes that sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories do not normally relate to the purpose and scope of the World Heritage Convention and the broader purpose of UNESCO to build the foundations of peace."

Appendix E: WORLD HERITAGE SITES ASSOCIATED WITH RECENT CONFLICTS AND OTHER NEGATIVE
AND DIVISIVE MEMORIES INSCRIBED UNDER CRITERION (VI) - 18 Inscribed Sites

Now this is really interesting and on point.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#81 | Posted: 25 Jun 2021 03:45 
winterkjm:
"Study on sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories"

"This study concludes that sites associated with recent conflicts and other negative and divisive memories do not normally relate to the purpose and scope of the World Heritage Convention and the broader purpose of UNESCO to build the foundations of peace."

This means that places like the mass graves and memorials of Rwanda or Cambodia will never be inscribed, I am disappointed. Unless politics and lobbies prevail over the expert report ...
It's not because I am French, but I would have liked to see the cemeteries of the First World War and the landing beaches listed.
What could be more universal than places directly associated with World Wars.
This kind of report also reduces the chances of seeing Chernobyl one day inscribed.

Author Jurre
Partaker
#82 | Posted: 4 Jul 2021 05:14 

Author ajoszucs
Partaker
#83 | Posted: 6 Jul 2021 08:04 
Khuft

Yes it was the case in 2019 - the remains of the Roman Governors Palace on Hajógyári island were taken out weeks before the session,. No one understood why, we just suspected some shady business involving some kind of sports activities planned there. Nothing has xchanged - no construction on the island has begun. Now the territory is given to one of Orban"s cultural comissaars, to build a "popcultural complex with national spirit" there anything it can mean. Then the nomination was resubmitted. But as far as we know, Hungary as the leader of this nomination has withdrawn the whole dossier some weeks ago. At first it was not communicated at all. Zsolt Visy the former govenment commissioner for the limes project (fired some weeks after the failed nomination in 2019) was warned by his former Austrian colleagues, who were informed by the UNESCO center in Paris. For some days there was no government reaction at all. Then Gergely Gulyás, head of the PMs office said that "Hungary is still committed" to the inscription, but "does not want to exclude" Serbia and the other Balkan countries, and that "there was no agreement" among the four state parties to include Serbia. Why it was done last minute weeks before the Committee session, and why was the original plan (HUN-AUS-SLO-GER first, RS-BG some years later) overruled we do not know. What we know, that Hungary (the Orban government) trolls its diplomatic partners on the West as often as it can, with great pleasure, and befriends any Balkanic or Asian authoritarian regime - like the goverment of Vucic in Serbia. Politics is always prioritized over professionalism, heritage conservation is always the last on the priority list and - most probably - when Visy was fired the last person quitwho was aware of the procedures in the UNESCO.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#84 | Posted: 6 Jul 2021 11:16 
Thanks for that rundown ajoszucs.

It all sounds so disheartening

Author tirtha22
Partaker
#85 | Posted: 7 Jul 2021 10:12 

Author elsslots
Admin
#86 | Posted: 7 Jul 2021 11:30 

They will not have to lobby for WH status as the advice from ICOMOS was already "inscribe". They seem to be lobbying for more budget from the state.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#87 | Posted: 7 Jul 2021 12:35 
elsslots:
They will not have to lobby for WH status as the advice from ICOMOS was already "inscribe".

It is not rather recommended for deferral? According to document 8B.

Author elsslots
Admin
#88 | Posted: 7 Jul 2021 12:47 
jonathanfr:
elsslots:
They will not have to lobby for WH status as the advice from ICOMOS was already "inscribe".

It is not rather recommended for deferral? According to document 8B.

Ah, you are right! A mistake in my spreadsheet...

Author Jurre
Partaker
#89 | Posted: 11 Jul 2021 18:57 | Edited by: Jurre 

Author carlosarion
Partaker
#90 | Posted: 15 Jul 2021 02:23 
Tomorrow's the start of the extended 44th session--will definitely be tuning in. Hopefully this time they will stick to ICOMOS/IUCN recommendations rather than inscribing deferrals or non-inscriptions...

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