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Author Khuft
Partaker
#16 | Posted: 25 Dec 2015 15:40 
Solivagant:
Macao – NO – A ruined church and a casino!


Just loved this! :-) The judgment may be a bit harsh, though. Beyond the iconic ruined church, and the overall very slick restoration of its various monuments, I did quite enjoy Macao - in particular the area around Senado square or A-Ma temple. And it does still look very Portuguese. Are the casinos making the experience less "authentic"? Sure they are! Just as the Shard or London Eye are making the Tower or Westminster feel less authentic.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#17 | Posted: 29 Dec 2015 01:00 
Solivagant:
So, in so far as we cull this group severely we would be significantly reducing the geographic %age of sites located outside of Europe! It is perhaps also worth mentioning that the Colonies represented here are all "European" – e.g the Turkish Empire with all its "Ottoman" towns is covered elsewhere.

Yes, it is an over-represented category. However I want balanced representation between Mayan, Mysterious Latin American civilization (like Tiwanku, Caral) and colonial cities

Author Assif
Partaker
#18 | Posted: 28 Jan 2016 17:56 
Someone needs to check if Solivagant and pikkle's contributions change the summary. I suspect they should.

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#19 | Posted: 29 Jan 2016 02:27 
Now I noticed that I have not voted in this category. (Although I won't vote something different )

Cuzco- remains of Inca capital smothered by colonial buildings
Goa- Portuguese colonial architecture + introduction of Catholicism to Asia
Luang Prabang- Its stunning temple and monastery Architecture (This is only category where i can add these)
Mexico city- architecture and Aztec heritages.
Ouro Preto- Baroque city
Melaka- Sino-Portuguese art with Malay culture.

Author elsslots
Admin
#20 | Posted: 29 Jan 2016 10:50 | Edited by: elsslots 
Summarizing again. Still not at 10 labelled 'Yes'. Goa, Sto. Domingo and Quito are the closest, should we promote them or can a different angle be found?:

Antigua Guatemala
Arequipa
Bridgetown
Camaguey
Campeche
Cartagena - already in under maritime cities
Goa - Portuguese colonial architecture + introduction of Catholicism to Asia
Cidade Velha
Cienfuegos
Colonia del Sacramento
Coro
Diamantina
Goias
Grand-Bassam
Guanajuato - archetypal "Mexican" town from 18C which has developed beyond its purely Spanish colonial roots
Mozambique
Saint-Louis
Levuka
Lima
Macao - Colonial architecture in a Chinese setting
Mazagan
Melaka/Georgetown - unique Sino-Portuguese art with Malay culture
Oaxaca (and Montalban)
Havana
Lunenburg - the best British example in North America/Caribbean
Galle
Olinda
Ouro Preto - outstanding Baroque city
Panama
Paramaribo - wooden architecture, Transatlantic Dutch colony
Potosi - already in under Mines
Puebla - outstanding planned city in Mexico with rich architecture
Quebec - best french colonial city
Queretaro
Quito - "largest, least-altered and best preserved historic centre" in Latin America
Leon Viejo
Salvador de Bahia - for its impressive european architecture with african feeling in Brazil
San Cristobal
Cuenca (Ecuador)
Mompox
Santo Domingo - oldest colonial city in the Americas
Sao Luis
St. George
Sucre
Tlacotalpan
Trinidad/Los Ingenios - best Spanish architecture in the Caribbean.
Vigan - important South-East Asian trading city
Willemstad - represent all of the Lesser Antilles
Zacatecas

Cusco - remains of Inca capital smothered by colonial buildings
Mexico City/Xochimilco - for its culture, architecture and Aztec heritages
Sao Francisco
San Miguel de Allende
Rabat
Grand Bassam
Morelia

Author Assif
Partaker
#21 | Posted: 29 Jan 2016 18:03 
elsslots:
Still not at 10 labelled 'Yes'. Goa, Sto. Domingo and Quito are the closest, should we promote them or can a different angle be found?

Why should we have 10 labelled YES here? What was the argument again?

Author elsslots
Admin
#22 | Posted: 30 Jan 2016 09:30 
Assif:
Why should we have 10 labelled YES here?

Category has 49 sites. 20% will lead to inclusion in a Top 200 (200/1031 total WHS), so about 10 to be representative.

Author Assif
Partaker
#23 | Posted: 30 Jan 2016 14:51 
elsslots:
so about 10 to be representative

This is right only if we decide we want to keep the same proportions as in the original WHS list. However, if we decide that a category such as Colonial is overrepresented we should be allowed to pick fewer than 20% of that category. In some cases it would be the reverse as for Ancient Egypt, where we chose 4 sites out of five.

Author elsslots
Admin
#24 | Posted: 31 Jan 2016 12:39 
Assif:
is overrepresented we should be allowed to pick fewer than 20%

Indeed, that's the point

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#25 | Posted: 31 Jan 2016 20:48 
Assif:
category such as Colonial is overrepresented we should be allowed to pick fewer than 20% of that category.

I agree to this point. 6 WHS is enough ( excluding sites which got selected in other categories) to represent colonial landscape.

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