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Near Eastern Archaeology

 
Author Assif
Partaker
#1 | Posted: 16 Dec 2015 15:52 | Edited by: Assif 
Near Eastern Archaeology (28):
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/categories/category33.html

Al Ain
Al Zubarah
Al Hijr
Merv
Ancient villages of Northern Syria
Anjar
Ashur
Bisotun
Bet Guvrin
Derbent
Hatra
Hattusha
Kunya-Urgench
Bet Shearim
Nemrut Dag
Nisa
Palmyra
Pasargadae
Persepolis
Petra
Quseir Amra
Samarra
Sarazm
Shahr-i Sokhta
Susa
Takht-e Soleyman
Tchogha Zanbil

I would also add:
Biblical tells
Catalhöyük
Bamyan
Shushtar
Jam
Incense Route Negev
Bahla
BAT, AL-KHUTM AND AL-AYN
Frankincense
Pearling sites
Qal'at al Bahrain
And some more

Author clyde
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 16 Dec 2015 17:02 
My selection:

Nemrut Dag (Hittites)
Petra (macaabites)
Samarra (maybe) - unique mosque architecture
Persepolis (Persians)
Merv (maybe, although more Central Asia than NE)
Catalhoyuk (maybe, oldest settlement)

Author Assif
Partaker
#3 | Posted: 16 Dec 2015 17:11 
The ones I think are most deserving:

Al Hijr - Not as important as Petra for Nabatean. N
Merv - iconic and significant Y
Ancient villages of Northern Syria - I would take it for its Byzantine heritage, but then we have another category Byzantine archaeology, where it should better belong. Y
Ashur - Only example of Mesopotamian architecture, but not enough to have it. N
Anjar - Not as important as Samarra for early Muslim architecture. N
Bisotun - Mostly famous for its multilingual, again not enough. N
Bet Guvrin - Mostly known for its use of caves, but is not as impressive as Gorome. N
Derbent - Don't know it enough, but I think it is a continuing urban landscape similar to Baku rather than an archaeological site.
Hatra - Yes for Parthian Empire.
Hattusha - Yes for the most important city of an Anatolian culture.
Kunya-Urgench - I think the Silk Road sites are already represented well enough. N
Bet Shearim - Maybe for its unique Jewish heritage.
Nemrut Dag - Special and iconic. Yes.
Nisa - Parthians are better represented by Hatra. N
Palmyra - Yes.
Pasargadae - I find Persepolis better. N
Persepolis - Yes for Persian Empire.
Petra - Yes.
Quseir Amra - too much of a niche. N
Samarra - Yes for early Muslim architecture.
Sarazm - Better neolithic sites such as Catalhöyük. N
Tchogha Zanbil - Yes for Elamites.

I would also add:
Biblical tells - Yes for water management.
Catalhoyuk - Yes.
Bamyan - Yes.

For the other sites I have no definite opinion.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 17 Dec 2015 03:26 | Edited by: Solivagant 
(Almost!) Complete agreement with Assif. A few discussion points
a. Bamiyan.
How should we consider this site? It has achieved a certain iconic reputation -though perhaps "infamous" would be a better word since its recent destruction. Do we not regard the fact that its greatest "claim" has been destroyed of relevance? Perhaps we say that, one day, they will be restored (as has happened in the past with other WHS), or that the destruction itself is worth "recording". BUT - there are Giant rock carved Buddhas elsewhere -e.g Leshan, Mogao is better for Buddhist art Taxila covers a Buddhist community (and it, Takht i bahi and Bamiyan are all Gandharan). At the moment I would say "NO" but would like to hear the views of others
b. Biblical Tells
"Yes for Water Management" sounds a bit "niche" to me -and there are plenty of other "water management sites"! I still say YES but include rather more - as representatives of their cultures/period and the cultural role of "Armageddon" across a large part of the World
c. Bet Shearim
It's no big deal but I wouldn't have gone as far as a "Maybe". Perhpas when we were there we concentrated too much on the tombs and not enough on the city ruins. But it does seem a bit "niche"
d. Ancient Villages
I haven't been there but have just have read the AB evaluation - monasteries, Byzantine and "rural society" are the watchwords. We have plenty of the first 2 and of the latter ICOMOS says "The theme of agro-pastoral landscapes is also evoked, but it is considered removed from the property's values,as it is only a late and secondary aspect of its history. ". OK as regards the first 2 the periods and location are different but is this enough? The AB says "There is, however, no recognised Byzantine site in Syria so far, whereas it is a very important aspect of the history of this country and region". How much of Byzantine " variety" should we try to cover? I wouldn't "die in a ditch" on this but feel it is closer to a "Maybe".

Author elsslots
Admin
#5 | Posted: 17 Dec 2015 07:15 
The book "The World's Great Wonders" covers only Petra of this List. So does "Destinations of a Lifetime".
Proves once again how biased these kind of books are. Neither feature any sites from Iran or Pakistan for example.

But back to the list above. I'd go for:
- Ashur - representing the Assyrian Empire
- Hatra - representing the Parthian Empire
- Hattusha - representing the Hittite Empire
- Nemrut Dag - should be in books about 'World Wonders' because of its iconic heads; maybe also for spread of Hellenism
- Palmyra - already included in 1979, one of the most well-known Middle East trade route sites
- Persepolis - representing the Persian Empire
- Petra - representing the Nabatean Empire & for its well-preserved remains
- Samarra - for the spiral minaret of its Great Mosque (though it would probably better classified under the "Islamic" category)
- Takht-e Soleyman - the site to represent Zoroasterianism
- Tchogha Zanbil - for its Ziggurat

Author kkanekahn
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 19 Dec 2015 00:36 
Hatra - Yes for Parthian Empire
Palmyra
Persepolis
Petra
Samarra - for the spiral minaret of its Great Mosque
Tchogha Zanbil - for its Ziggurat

Author elsslots
Admin
#7 | Posted: 20 Dec 2015 01:29 
Summarizing:

Al Ain
Al Zubarah
Al Hijr
Merv
Ancient villages of Northern Syria
Anjar
Ashur
Bisotun
Bet Guvrin
Derbent
Hatra - representing the Parthian Empire
Hattusha - most important city of an Anatolian culture, Hittite empire
Kunya-Urgench
Bet Shearim
Nemrut Dag
Nisa
Palmyra - one of the most well-known Middle East trade route sites
Pasargadae
Persepolis - representing the Persian Empire
Petra - representing the Nabatean Empire & for its well-preserved remains
Quseir Amra
Samarra - for the spiral minaret of its Great Mosque & early Muslim architecture
Sarazm
Shahr-i Sokhta
Susa
Takht-e Soleyman
Tchogha Zanbil - for its Ziggurat & to represent the Elamite empire

Brought over from different categories:
Biblical tells - for water management in the desert & representatives of their cultures/period and the cultural role of "Armageddon" across a large part of the World (will be discussed under the prehistoric sites)
Catalhoyuk - (will be discussed under the prehistoric sites)
Bamiyan - (is being discussed under Buddhist, but seems to be dropped there too)

Author fr4nc1sc4
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 20 Dec 2015 21:20 
my selections:

Nemrut Dag
Persepolis
Petra
Samarra

Author Khuft
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 23 Dec 2015 09:17 | Edited by: Khuft 
Solivagant:
a. Bamiyan.
How should we consider this site? It has achieved a certain iconic reputation -though perhaps "infamous" would be a better word since its recent destruction. Do we not regard the fact that its greatest "claim" has been destroyed of relevance? Perhaps we say that, one day, they will be restored (as has happened in the past with other WHS), or that the destruction itself is worth "recording". BUT - there are Giant rock carved Buddhas elsewhere -e.g Leshan, Mogao is better for Buddhist art Taxila covers a Buddhist community (and it, Takht i bahi and Bamiyan are all Gandharan). At the moment I would say "NO" but would like to hear the views of others

A tricky question - yet we seem to accept Palmyra (which faces the same problem) without any discussion. With the Buddhas, I'd give it a definite Yes (and would likely put it in my Top 200 too) - found them more impressive than Leshan. Without the Buddhas, it's questionable. But isn't Palmyra just as questionable then? Or Hatra?

Author Assif
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 28 Jan 2016 16:23 
fr4nc1sc4:
my selections:

Nemrut Dag
Persepolis
Petra
Samarra

Nemrut Dag is supported by 4 out of 6 contributors, which does not suffice for move it from cursive to bold. The rest is already in bold. No change then.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#11 | Posted: 28 Jan 2016 17:19 
Assif:
Nemrut Dag is supported by 4 out of 6 contributors,

Clyde, Assif, Els, Solivagant, fr4nc1sc4 = 5
Only Khanekahn didn't include - and Khuft didn't "vote"!!
Perhaps the problem came when I said I agreed with Assif except ....... and I didn't list those where I agreed thus making counting difficult - sorry!

Author Assif
Partaker
#12 | Posted: 28 Jan 2016 17:47 
Right Solivagant, so Nemrut Dag should move up to bold. I must add I am happy it does.

Author elsslots
Admin
#13 | Posted: 29 Jan 2016 14:04 | Edited by: elsslots 
Summarizing
We now have 7 Yes out of 28 (25%). Sounds about right?

Al Ain
Al Zubarah
Al Hijr
Merv
Ancient villages of Northern Syria
Anjar
Ashur
Bisotun
Bet Guvrin
Derbent
Hatra - representing the Parthian Empire
Hattusha - most important city of an Anatolian culture, Hittite empire
Kunya-Urgench
Bet Shearim
Nemrut Dag - iconic heads
Nisa
Palmyra - one of the most well-known Middle East trade route sites
Pasargadae
Persepolis - representing the Persian Empire
Petra - representing the Nabatean Empire & for its well-preserved remains
Quseir Amra
Samarra - for the spiral minaret of its Great Mosque & early Muslim architecture
Sarazm
Shahr-i Sokhta
Susa
Takht-e Soleyman
Tchogha Zanbil - for its Ziggurat & to represent the Elamite empire

Brought over from different categories:
Biblical tells - for water management in the desert & representatives of their cultures/period and the cultural role of "Armageddon" across a large part of the World (will be discussed under the prehistoric sites)
Catalhoyuk - (will be discussed under the prehistoric sites)
Bamiyan - (is being discussed under Buddhist, but seems to be dropped there too)

Author elsslots
Admin
#14 | Posted: 30 Jan 2016 02:31 
I'll bring these over to the main page at http://www.worldheritagesite.org/allbyrank.php

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