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Author elsslots
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#1 | Posted: 12 Feb 2019 11:20 

Author Zoe
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#2 | Posted: 12 Feb 2019 13:14 
Any idea how to count visiting Mount Athos without being allowed to go?

Author elsslots
Admin
#3 | Posted: 12 Feb 2019 13:39 
Zoe:
Any idea how to count visiting Mount Athos without being allowed to go?

I have not 'been' there yet, but I have no issue with counting it after taking a cruise around the peninsula. One can apparently see the monasteries quite well from the boat.

Author Zoe
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 13 Feb 2019 00:37 
Sounds great I'll do that in summer :) I didn't want to spend days in a monastery anyway lolz

Author joelonroad
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#5 | Posted: 13 Feb 2019 07:29 
If you have binoculars (or a decent optical zoom on your camera) make sure you take them. The boat generally doesn't go within about 500 metres of the coastline, so although you can get a great view of the monasteries, you can't really see much of the detail. To get a better idea, you can check out my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQKFX3hUx4

Author elsslots
Admin
#6 | Posted: 9 Jul 2020 12:21 
In the news today: https://news.gtp.gr/2020/07/08/greeces-lavreotiki-municipality-aiming-for-unesco-status/

Wonder what the order of the Greek nominations will be, they seem fairly active. We have:
2020 - Spinalonga
2021 - none (no cultural at least we know)
2022 - Zagorochoria - North Pindos National Park
2023 - Minoan Palatial Centres or maybe Lavreotiki (Ancient Lavrion)?

Author tsunami
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 11 Jul 2020 16:19 | Edited by: tsunami 
Cool. I went to Lavrio in 1995.

But all I remember is the bus from Athens broke down on the way, and we had to wait for 1 hour for another bus to pick us up.

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 23 Aug 2020 15:09 
Seems like I am the only one headed to this years meetup... Well, always wanted to see the Peleponnes sites and will make use of it. If anyone is aware of travel restrictions in Greece, I would appreciate a comment. Also, general situation on the ground right now.

General comments:
* Figuring out connections in Greece is a mess. The whole network is tailored for getting in and out of Athens.
* Getting to Bassae seems only possible from Pyros and by including a cab ride.
* I can't work out how to get from Delphi to Hosios Loukas. And then back to Athens. Only options seems to be a cab ride.
* For Bassae and Mycenae I found some information online indicating the sites may be closed.

Itinerary

Sat Transit
Hamburg -> Athens (plane),
Athens -> Nafplio (KTEL Argolidas 20:00-22.10h)

Sun Tiryns, Nafplio Epidauros
Morning to Lunch: Explore Tiryns (8:00-19:00) and Nafplio (Late Medieval Bastioned Fortifications in Greece).
Afternoon: Cab to Epidauros (WHS & Tent). There could be a return bus at 18:10 on Sunday. Or cab back to Nafplio. Open till 19:00h

Mon Mycenae, Sparta
Morning visit to Mycenae. Google suggests it's closed. Greek website doesn't. Open from 8 a.m.
Bus to Isthmus. Bus to Sparta. Taxi/Walk to Mystras.

Tue: Mystras, Pyrgos
Morning visit Mystras. City, so opening hours less of a concern.
Bus to Tripoli. Note: KTEL Korinthian or KTEL Lakonia stop on their way to Isthmus/Athens, supposedly, but it's not shown on their website.
Bus to Pyrgos. Ktel Ileias 17:45.

Wed: Pyrgos, Bassae
6:00 Bus to Figalia (ktel ileias). Then cab to Bassae. Closes at 15:30h.
Note: There is some warning till March 2020 on the homepage for parts of the site..
13:10 Bus back to Pyrgos

Thu: Pyrgos, Olympia, Athens
Morning train to Olympia, Lunch Return. Then bus to Athens

Fri: Day trip to Delphi

Sat: Daphni monastery, Athens, Rhodes
Note: Not open on Monday and Tuesday

Sun: Rhodes, Hamburg
Been to Rhodes before, I just couldn't find a cheap return flight.

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 7 Sep 2020 10:08 | Edited by: nfmungard 
Itinerary

Sat Transit Hamburg Athens
Hamburg -> Athens (plane).
Athens Airport -> Nafplio (Bus)
Note: Several X busses depart from Athens airport. A bit confusing. Don't go to Syntagma, go to the Kiffisos (X93). In Kiffisos, Tickets are sold outside, not in the ticket hall.
https://www.visitnafplio.com/directions.html

Sun Mykene, Argos, Nafplio
Morning: Bus to Fichti. Walk 3.5km to Mykene. Missed my return bus by 5min. Took a cab from Fichti to Argos and would recommend the same to you as the bus schedules don't really work.
Early Afternoon: Argos Agora and Amphitheatre (T).
Later Afternoon: Climbed Palamidi fortress (T) from the city. And also visited Akronauplía (T). Google isn't aware of the stairs, so it will propose a huge detour for Palamidi.

Mon Epidauros, Tiryns, Mystras
Morning: Taxi to Epidauros. Was planning to take a bus back but it never showed. I got lucky as I founda free cab driver, but I would recommend negotiating a return rate with the driver from the start.
Lunch: Tiryns.
Afternoon: Bus back to Nafplio (run every 30-60min). Bus to Tripoli (once a day Mon to Fri). Bus to Sparti (not shown on any website or app, but there are frequent connections as all busses from Athens to Sparti will stop here). Cab to Mystras.

Tue Mystras, Sparti, Kalamata, Messene (T)
Morning: Visit Mystras, then cab to Sparti and visit of Sparta akropolis (free)
Lunch to Afternoon: Bus to Tripoli (really slow) where I got lucky and got the connecting bus to Kalamata as it was delayed, too.
Afternoon: Cab to Messene (T) organized via hotel (60€). Recommended.

Wed Kalamata, Pyrgos, Olympia, Pyrgos Beach
Morning: Bus to Pyrgos (8:30), then bus to Olympia. Museum in Olympia is a must visit.
Afternoon: Bus back to Pyrogs and walked to the beach. Nice and quiet.

Thu Pyrgos, Nea Figaleia, Bassae, Andritsana, Athens
6 a.m.: Bus to the wrong Figaleia (Nea). Waited for 3h to catch the only available cab to Bassae and then drop of at Andritsana (50€). During weekdays there is a direct bus connection to Megalopolis/Tripoli/Isthmus to Athens. Bassae is hardest WHS to visit in Greece by public transport. Only for the faithful or car drivers.
Note: Statement in review re Figaleia from Stanislaw is incorrect. There are two (old and new) Figaleias both 30km apart and the bus goes to the new one. Also, there is only one bus per week from Pyrgos to Andritsana. However, there are busses from Zaharo I think (different KTEL). Best option is to go to Andritsana and catch a connection there.

Fri: Daphni, Delphi
Morning: Visit Daphni. Bus to Delphi. Note: Bus to Delphi runs from Liosion 300, not Kiffisos! Cost me 15€ to correct that.
Lunch: Delphi. Entry is at the museum. Be sure to also visit the sites below the road. Museum is amazing (again).

Sat: Akropolis, Sounion, Lavrion (T)
Morning: Visited the Akropolis and the Akropolis museum. They require two tickets. Stupid. Paid 40€ in total for a combined Athens ticket (30€) plus a museum ticket (10€). Still, a great site and the museum, again, is a must visit. Most other components in the combined ticket can be seen from the outside, so not sure you need to get it.
Afternoon: Caught a bus to Sounion. Several stops in the city, so no need to go to the bus terminal. Google maps even has two stored (near Syntagma and the Akropolis). The Poseidon temple of Sounion is quite famous and part of the Lavrion (T) site. I hiked to the mining area where the primary component was closed. But mines dot the whole landscape so I think I am fine. I think this could make the cut as Mines in Antiquity OUV.
Afternoon: Return by bus to Athens. Note: Not all bus stops are marked. Essentially, these are near hotels etc. Wink to the driver.

Sun: Athens, Home
Morning: Did an early morning run of a few more sites included in the combined Akropolis ticket. Then airport, then home.

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 7 Sep 2020 10:31 
General Comments on Greece
Still missing three island sites, but still feel comfortable providing a bit guidance after now my 5th trip to the place.

WHS

4.5*: Akropolis, Meteora
After my revisit, I upgraded my Akropolis rating to 4.5*. It's simply the best Greek site including many surrounding ruins. If you rate below 4* (Hubert, Philipp) you should write a review and argue your case. I think it's misplaced.
Meteroa is just really unique with the landscape and the monasteries, that it should feature on any itinerary for Greece.

4*: OIympia, Delphi, Rhodes
Olympia and Delphi are huge and offer tangible evidence of Greek culture 2.500 years ago. The on site museums show off the high level of artistry. Each has a unique corner for temples. Great.
Rhodes is a lovely place with a great castle and history.

3.5*: Mystras, Mycene, Athos
Mystras is great, but it's not that old and all turned into ruins.
Mycene is nice, especially considering it's from the Bronze Age. But it doesn't have the wow factor of e.g. the Hippogeum in Malta.
Athos I unfortunately stayed in the Russian monastery. I think I should have gone to Lavra to get a better feeling for the site.

3*: Aigai, Corfu
Access to Aigai is well done and nice. When I came plenty was still under reconstruction, so didn't get a full view/appreciation of the site.
Corfu is nice, but a bit touristy. Felt not as great as Malta or Rhodes.

2.5: Thessalonik
Roman ruins and the plentiful Byzantine churches are nice. But not really that impressive as the city itself is too big.

2.0*: Bassae, Epidauros, Daphni
The tent cover of Bassae ruins the whole site. Hard to appreciate as is.
Epidauros has a great amphitheater but overall ruins felt pretty mediocre.
Not sure what Daphni adds to the list considering that Thessaloniki and Athos also contain large Byzantine churches. Maybe other components awe more.

1.5*: Philippi
Should not have been inscribed. Roman ruins are e.g. also part of the Akropolis, I don't see what this added to the list.

Tentative
Only saw four.
Ancient Greek Theatres - Nope. Best theatres are already inscribed.
Ancient Lavrion - Yes. Classical mining seems not that well covered. Area is huge and has a eyecatching part in the Poseidon temple.
Ancient Messene - Yes. The stadium is plain stunning.
Late Medieval Bastioned Fortifications in Greece - Nope. Best fortifications (Corfu, Rhodes) already inscribed.

Of the rest I would assume that the Minoan palaces in Crete are inscribed.

Aspiring
From what I have seen in Greece, I only see a few gaps:
* Santorini would probably jump to 4.5* for me. The volcano and the houses on the slope are great and impressive.
* Ottoman town. There must be one in Greece. Best I came across was Kavala on my way to Bulgaria. Unless they tore everything down.
* Prehistory. Not sure why there wouldn't be any really old sites in Greece.

Author Colvin
Partaker
#11 | Posted: 8 Sep 2020 23:26 
Glad your trip went well! Interesting observation about Daphni and how it didn't seem spectacular compared to other Byzantine churches you've seen. I've only seen the outside of a Daphni twice, driving by when it has been closed, but Hosios Loukas has amazing mosaics, and for that site itself, I would likely give no less than a three star rating. Thanks for sharing your impressions!

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#12 | Posted: 1 Nov 2020 18:26 | Edited by: Astraftis 
Just about how to reach Delphi.

I am surprised that @Nan couldn't find some kind of connection between Patras (right?) and Itea. May I ask when this was? I could imagine that there surely is some way to arrive to Nafpaktos from Patras, and then some line to Itea, at least on the vector pointing towards Athens... but true, I can remember when I wanted to go from Patras to Diakopto (55 kms and on the major road towards Athens) by bus and it literally took me the whole day and two changes. So, even if there were a solution, it would not be practical at all.

But about Delphi and Itea, I'd just like to wild-cardly ask the crowd if anyone knows anything about, or even has ever used, a fabled ferry connection between the northern (specifically Itea) and southern side of the Corinthian gulf. A local source there told me about that, and how it was possible to pursue this more direct route in previous years before it was cancelled... I think my source was not trustworthy at all, and I can't even locate an adequate port on the southern side between Patras and Corinth, but who knows. It would be (have been) for sure my favourite way to reach Delphi.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#13 | Posted: 3 Aug 2021 03:51 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Nomination activity by Greece
The rejection of Spinalonga by ICOMOS/WHC stimulated some Forum discussion on how it could have been chosen ahead of Knossos/Minoan Palaces and why they have not yet been nominated. Back in 2016, when the decision to propose Spinalonga first seems to have been made, I don't believe that the Greek Ministry of Culture believed that Knossos was ready for nomination so that wasn't a choice it had to make. My reviews of Knossos etc on this Website in 2015 and 2019 concluded that the submission of Knossos "remained problematical because of construction on and around the site which the government wasn't able to overcome/remove - partly because of cost" rather than because of concerns about authenticity relating to the Evans excavations. Out of interest I have done more research on the Web and everything supports this conclusion. However, I have also found reports that Greece is currently working on a "Minoan Palaces" dossier as what appears to be its next nomination - but without giving a clear picture of how the difficulties which previously prevented nomination have been overcome. So, although a completion date of this year has been mentioned (which would mean submission Jan 2022 and evaluation for the 2023 WHC), all public information provided would seem to cast doubt that this date will be met – "positive but lacking in credibility" would be my assessment! I have made a separate post on this subject below.

Other "Active" Greek T List sites
I have Web searched for news articles about all the other current Greek T List sites to discover any evidence of "nomination activity". Assuming that Minoan Palaces is first in line, then Mount Olympus and Zagorochoria seem to be the next most likely candidates – possibly with Lavrion and Nikopolis further back. However, the Ministry of Culture sometimes gives the impression of just saying "yes" to every request without a full assessment or realistic target. There seems to be no process independently to evaluate the T List entries and prioritize/fund them. But that would prevent the Minister from travelling around promising support to all and sundry!!

Region of Mount Olympus
This article from July 2021 suggests that Greece is actively working on a nomination for this site with the finance and initiative coming from the Ministry of Culture at national level - "Work has begun on the application file of the wider Olympus area for the UNESCO World Heritage List, following the first formal meeting of the tripartite Committee, composed of representatives of the Ministries of Environment and Culture and the Organization Of Climate Change (OFYPEKA), in the presence of the Minister of Culture Lina Mendoni and the Deputy Minister of PEN George Amyras."
The suggested timeline doesn't seem correct as per UNESCO procedures - "the file will be submitted to the UNESCO World Heritage Committee in September 2022 and will be examined in January 2023". It also makes no mention of its position in the queue in relation to Knossos etc

Lavrion
This article from July 2020 indicates some interest/activity in pursuing a nomination for the mining area of Lavrion – but it all appears to be very "early days". "Recently, there has been a strong mobilization of organizations and individuals on the issue of the inclusion of ancient and modern mining Lavreotiki in the UNESCO World Heritage Sites. A delegation from the Municipality of Lavrio, led by the Mayor, recently paid an informative visit to the ancient mining town of Banská Stiavnica in central Slovakia, which has been a UNESCO World Heritage Site for many years. . In July 2020, also at the initiative of the Municipality of Lavreotiki, a large meeting was held at the Diocese of the Holy Diocese of Mesogaia and Lavreotiki, on the subject of submitting the candidacy proposal and other issues related to the promotion and promotion of Lavrioti's cultural heritage"

Zagorochoria/N Pindos NP
This article from Feb 2020 indicaties activity to develop/progress a nomination. It contains the usual target dates just over the horizon which have subsequently not been met!!! "Zagorochoria is the first Greek candidacy in the field of cultural landscape and requires the cooperation of a multidisciplinary working group", noted Ms. Mendoni (Min of Culture).... The aim of the Ministry of Culture," the announcement continues, "is to submit the file on the cultural landscape to UNESCO at the end of September 2020 so that the organization can make the first observations. They will make a decisive contribution to the completion of the final application dossier, with a submission deadline of January 31, 2021 "....."The state supports Zagori's candidacy. It is a complex undertaking, much more complex than the inclusion of a monument"

Nikopolis
This article from April 2021 indicates some activity from the local community to try to generate some interest in progressing Nikopolis for nomination... but it doesn't sound very hopeful! "The group, in collaboration with the Greek National Commission for UNESCO since 2002, have been working for the integration of Nikopolis, but unfortunately until today, despite the fact that so many years have passed, we are still at the beginning. The archeological site of Nikopolis does not deserve such treatment, it does not deserve the culture of our place. The inclusion of Nikopolis in the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites is imperative and must proceed. We must use this treasure that we have, as it will be a lever of growth for the whole wider region."

Santorini/Akrotiri
Even though this is not currently on the Greek T List (it was present in early versions as part of a wider site covering all/most of the island of Santorini) I have made some searches about it because of the undoubted world-wide importance of the Akrotiri Archaeological site element and a (personal) hope for its reappearance some day! With the enormous development of tourism/hotels etc on the island the idea that the entire caldera could be inscribed must face problems. Possibly in recognition of this, the emphasis now seems to be to get the Island a UNESCO logo via a nomination for its "Intangible Heritage" re wine making leaving Akrotiri in limbo.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#14 | Posted: 3 Aug 2021 04:31 | Edited by: Solivagant 
The continuing odyssey of Knossos towards WH Nomination...?
The following is a chronologically organised series of articles from the Web regarding the potential nomination of Knossos/Minoan Palaces. As most links lead to sites in Greek I have included Google auto translations of the major quotes. My review of Nov 2015 covered the site's early UNESCO history from its addition to Greece's first T List in 1985 through to 2009 - at which point I can add information as below.

July 2009 Greece Accepts that there are major problems re unauthorised structures within the Archaeological Zones of Knossos
The basic facts in the article seem clear even if the author's criticism of PASOK etc might be subjective! "the top issue for the inclusion of the Knossos monument site in the World Cultural Heritage sites is that arbitrary ( = unauthorised?) buildings must be removed from the surroundings"
"It is recalled that in the last 18 years in the first and second archaeological zones of Knossos, dozens have been built arbitrarily, some of which are villas. Some of them are just a few tens of meters from the Minoan palace" (Nb the "1st and 2nd "archaeological zones" refer to Greek law regarding what can and cannot be done in and around an archaeological zone, where Zone A is "no development" and B allows some limited developments with special permission)
"If there are houses that are not legal the owners must be compensated.... (however) the sad phenomenon is that the PASOK and N.D. MPs ...advocated the revision not only of the second zone but also of the first archaeological zone under the territory of which there are important monuments, such as Knossos of the classical, Hellenistic and Roman periods.....there was no ....proposal ... for expropriation at the real price of areas of the first (unstructured) zone and release of the hostage of the owners, who were exploited... for building in the zones." (i.e they wanted to "solve" the problem by reducing the zones rather than by clearing the houses and paying compensation even though the areas thus excluded contained important unexcavated remains!)

Oct 2011 Latest (?) official definition of Knossos Zones A and B
This document doesn't indicate whether this clear legal definition of the zones represents a reduction in the previously understood ones. The maps are difficult to read but do suggest the inclusion of large areas beyond the current limited archaeological site. An earlier press release of 2006 did propose a reduction to the Zones. Whatever - the next document would seem to show that this revised definition did NOT alter the zones enough to avoid the earlier problems! It would seem very unlikely that ICOMOS could/would accept a nomination covering an area smaller even than the official Greek zones.

Mar 2013 "Crete wants Minoans on World Heritage List" - extension beyond Knossos.
This article is first "recent" indication that Greece intends to progress a combined nomination for 5 "palace sites" rather than just Knossos (The original 1985 Greek T List had specified "Sites Minoens - Cnossos, Pheastos, Gournia, Zakros"). The article suggest that the "logic" for "adding" the other palaces is that "The construction problems identified around the area of the Minoan palace that impede the monument's inclusion might be minor matters since the file will not focus only on the palace, but also on all the monuments of the Minoan civilization.". It would seem unlikely that ICOMOS would be distracted by such a "trick" (though the WHC might well be!). Also there is no mention of all the extra complexity thus created, other than obliquely via the signing of "two major contracts on studying the process concerning the inclusion of the broader archaeological sites of Knossos and Messara". The first contract refers to "Unification of Archaeological sites of Knossos, Karteros, Archanes", and the second one refers "to the study, Unification of Archaeological Sites Messara – Phaistos, Gortyna, Agia Triada, Kommos etc" I can find no evidence of these projects reporting or resulting in any "unification" of the management of sites. But the issues concerning the management of any sites nominated together will need to be addressed!

Jan 2014 Both Knossos and Spinalonga are placed on the new Greek T List
Spinalonga is a "new addition" and the previously titled "Knossos (#)" becomes "Minoan Palatial Centres (Knossos, Phaistos, Malia, Zakros, Kydonia)" - as per the above article.

Dec 2016 Greece chooses Spinalonga for next nomination because of boundary issues at Knossos
The author of this report is a regular reporter on "matters Cretan" (and beyond) and seems to enjoy taking an anti establishment line! He is very unhappy at the lack of progress on Knossos and blames Central Government - but doesn't sound like an "expert" on archaeological zones!
"the just request of the Cretan people (for inscription of Knossos), unfortunately, crashed into the impenetrable wall of mandarins of the Ministry of Culture. Specifically, they raised, as a pretext, the impossibility of even submitting a relevant application to UNESCO (because of) the existence of some... arbitrary buildings! ... in the institutionalized archaeological zones A 'and B' and set as a basic condition their demolition."

Continued in next post

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#15 | Posted: 3 Aug 2021 04:38 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Knossos nomination continued..

The article then suggests that this shouldn't really be an insurmountable difficulty but was being made so by "bureaucracy". Unlike the earlier article which came down in favour of demolition and compensation, it proposes that the way through the problem is "simply" to reduce the size of the zones (presumably those set in 2011) for the purpose of nomination - "In fact, the then UNESCO Ambassador of our country simply mentioned the need to create a protection zone around the Archaeological site of Knossos (completely vaguely, without determining the dimensions of this Zone), as well as the elaboration of management ...for the maintenance of the monument. The mandarins of the Ministry, however, completely arbitrarily increased the requirements of UNESCO, interpreted (against the test) the relevant provision and concluded that the Knossos Protection Zone includes both the A '& B' Archaeological Zones and not a circle with one reasonable diameter centered on Knossos, as was done with the Acropolis and other monuments ."
"This completely arbitrary exaggeration of the institutionalization of the Archaeological Zones, which in theory was done for the greater supposed protection of the monument of Knossos, in practice brought the completely opposite results with the escalation of the arbitrary construction, with all that entails. It is well known and scientifically proven that the findings cover only a small part of the Archaeological Zones. The Ministry of Culture has repeatedly pledged, acknowledging their erroneous determination, that it will proceed with the redefinition of the archaeological zones of Knossos without having done so yet."

Aug 2019 New Minister of Culture promises progress on the Minoan Palaces nomination
Article by the same author of the one above - repeating many of the same points. But also that the new (and still current) Minister of Culture gave "explicit and unequivocal assurances to the Prime Minister that this outstanding issue (regarding the "difficulties" regarding nomination of Knossos) would be settled as soon as possible".... "Have the above obstacles and objections been removed or remain? What do the two Honorable Ladies say, who gave explicit assurances to the Prime Minister that they will try to include the Minoan Palace Centers of Crete in the UNESCO Calendar!"

Nov 2019 Parliamentary question re progress or otherwise on Minoan Palace Nomination
Answer to the question from a Heraklion MP in which the Greek Minister of Culture provides the "history" of the nomination since the "Minoan Palaces" was added to Greece's T List in Jan 2014... problems with contracts, budgets, planning delays, recruitment of staff etc. N.b the addition of the site of Zominthos (though Greece has never updated its T List entry to reflect this!).... And then "Within the next year and a half - it cannot be done earlier - the Archaeological Service will be able to submit the file". So – a "promise" to develop a nomination by mid 2021. Notably her statement includes nothing specific about Zone boundaries or illegal constructions. So it isn't really clear whether it is intended to "solve" the problem by altering the inscribed zone sizes or whether the current structures will have to go and the owners be compensated.

Jun 2020 Parliamentary question on Minoan Nomination progress.
Question now being asked by 33 Syriza MPs reminding the government of the "promise" of Jun 2019 to develop a nomination within 18 months - how are things going?! The response can, at best, be described as "inconclusive". It also rather unfortunately leans on the fact that "from Jan 2019 there is the extremely positive precedent, when the Ministry of Culture officially submitted to UNESCO the application file for the accession of Spinalonga." – in retrospect, not a shining example to cite!!!

Jun 2021 Minister of Culture visits Crete
Says - "Regarding the issue of the Minoan palaces and their inclusion in the List of UNESCO Monuments, Lina Mendoni stressed that the Services of the Ministry of Culture and Sports are already working on the dossier for the serial registration of the six palaces, Zakros, Knossos, Phaistos, Malia , Kydonia" (but only 5 locations listed – not Zominthos). Also says "Especially in Phaistos, the problems are many and need immediate and systematic treatment. The maintenance and restoration of the archaeological site of Phaistos will be financed by the Recovery Fund". If this has to be done pre-nomination then all bets on dates must surely be off?

So – to summarise
a. Knossos has remained in un-nominated limbo for over 30 years, because of unauthorised developments within areas which would (probably) need to be included in any nomination
b. Ways proposed to get round this have been to change the zones to exclude existing developments or remove them and compensate.
c. It is not clear which approach has been chosen, but Greece has apparently been preparing a dossier for a "Minoan Palaces" nomination since at least Nov 2019 with a last reported completion target of summer 2021. The latest progress report doesn't really seem to be full of confidence that even the normal problems of producing a nomination have been covered, let alone that the "Zone issue" has been solved and, as recently as Jun 21, the dossier was reported as still "being worked on" with no promise of completion.
d. The extension of the nomination beyond Knossos must multiply the complexity of any nomination and there is no evidence that this has been addressed – indeed Phaestos appears to have its own problems ... what of the other 4 (or is it 5 with Zominthos) sites?
e. It may well be that Greece will need to accept that ICOMOS will find a nomination with limited boundaries and nearby buildings at Knossos (together with other problems at e.g Phaistos) "unsatisfactory" but that some future WHC could be "persuaded" to conclude that the sites of Minoan civilisation are clearly of such significant "OUV" that ICOMOS's reservations should be dismissed. Such things do happen at WHCs!!!

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