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Author Solivagant
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#1 | Posted: 25 Sep 2018 03:21 | Edited by: Solivagant 
VERLA BOARD MILL
I note the following in Joel Baldwin's review of this WHS - https://www.worldheritagesite.org/list/id/751#userreview_16161
"My only real complaint with this site was that photos and videos weren't allowed inside! I'm really not sure why - there isn't delicate painting to be protected, no trade secrets, and it's definitely not crowded enough to be a crowd management issue either. Maybe they've had problems with people filming the tour guides? Either way, we found it strange and it made for a rather difficult video!"

My understanding when we were there and questioned the guide about the "no interior photography" policy is that it is a copyright issue. The WHS is privately owned by the UPM-Kymmene Corporation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPM_(company)
See this privacy statement from the Museum's Website demonstrating its ownership - https://www.verla.fi/en/privacystatement
Either they don't want to reduce potential sales of guidebooks and post cards or it is just a standard "corporate" ban in all their sites - operational or not (Most/All private companies would ban interior photography in their operational premises without special permission)
(ELS - I see that we don't yet have it on the "In Private Ownership" Connection.)

I was particularly annoyed that they wouldn't even let me photograph (in close-up!) the UNESCO inscription certificate which hangs on one of the walls and which I normally photograph when seen - one would have thought this "belonged" to the people of Finland!! But the private company seems to insist on asserting its rights. All very different from the sort of "relaxed" attitude which my preconceptions (and experiences) expect of Finns!!

Author elsslots
Admin
#2 | Posted: 25 Sep 2018 05:26 
Solivagant:
(ELS - I see that we don't yet have it on the "In Private Ownership" Connection.)

added it!

Author clyde
Partaker
#3 | Posted: 25 Sep 2018 16:19 
ahhh i'll definitely try my naughtiest best to get at least a snapshot of the unesco certificate when nobody's looking! I really hate photography bans just for the sake of it when it would generste more revenue for the corporations to simply add a photography fee

Author Sjobe
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 26 Sep 2018 03:24 | Edited by: Sjobe 
Solivagant:
But the private company seems to insist on asserting its rights. All very different from the sort of "relaxed" attitude which my preconceptions (and experiences) expect of Finns!!

As a Finnish person I recognize two things here:
1. Finnish society is full of rules and regulations. Finnish bureaucrats love rules. The background for this is that all kind of equality is important value in Finland. So, even though there is a stupid rule, it should be the same for everyone. And there are always people looking after that you obey the rule. Because it is important that no one could take advantage of bending the rules – that would be unequal.
2. Forest industry is some kind of a sacred cow in Finland. Forest companies own a lot of things and they are very strict about their ownership.

Just keep on snapping pictures and breaking the rules :)

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 26 Sep 2018 05:47 
Sjobe:
Just keep on snapping pictures and breaking the rules :)

But, on the other hand, British culture places an important value on being "polite" (at least as a "show"!) and avoiding "face to face" scenes is also very important. So, although we will happily break the rules if we can get away with it without actually having to face someone, it is culturally rather more difficult for us if someone has actually said "don't do this" and "doing it" potentially involves deceiving them personally (deceiving an institution is another matter altogether!) or facing them down.
We seem to have a "cultural impasse"!

Author Sjobe
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 26 Sep 2018 10:06 
Solivagant:
We seem to have a "cultural impasse"!

I understand. My overconfident comment doesn't mean that I'm some kind of rebel when it comes to photography (unesco certificates or anything else), rather the opposite. I'm just tired of Finnish officials who overinterpret rules rather that being reasonable. Nowadays it is referred in Finnish media as "sääntö-Suomi", translated "Rule-Finland" or "Finland of Rules". This is one article about this issue I found in English.

Author Jarek Pokr
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 27 Sep 2018 12:35 
I jist checked my phots from this place (visited in 2008) and realized that I have a lot of photos from inside and outside of Verla
Hence, 10 years ago there was no obstacles to make as many photos as you like on the spot. If you want I can share them...u

Author Zoe
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 27 Sep 2018 13:33 
It would be cool to have a photo of a certificate for each listing, although I'm not sure each one has a metal one, or I wouldn't be sure where they placed the one for Rock Art in Spain...

Author joelonroad
Partaker
#9 | Posted: 27 Sep 2018 13:44 
Honestly, if I was just doing photographs for my own private use I would have no problem with taking a couple of sneaky photos (and have done this at non-World Heritage sites).

But given that I'm putting the videos online and publicly available (and fairly easily connectable with my identity), I'm pretty hesitant to break the rules regardless of how silly they might seem. I know that in the US, the NPS uses YouTube to find people using drones illegally in their national parks and then sending them a fine or worse.

Ironically - my best performing video on the entire channel is about the Altamira Cave in Spain, where I did film surreptitiously inside the replica! It was one of my very early videos (before we really got rolling on the project) and I kind of regret it now.

Author joelonroad
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 27 Sep 2018 14:02 | Edited by: joelonroad 
Solivagant:
I was particularly annoyed that they wouldn't even let me photograph (in close-up!) the UNESCO inscription certificate which hangs on one of the walls and which I normally photograph when seen - one would have thought this "belonged" to the people of Finland!! But the private company seems to insist on asserting its rights. All very different from the sort of "relaxed" attitude which my preconceptions (and experiences) expect of Finns!!

I guess we got them on a good day! Or nobody was paying attention 😉

Verla

Author GaryArndt
Partaker
#11 | Posted: 27 Sep 2018 14:45 
The most visited places in the world are also the most photographed. The photos do not stop more people from visiting.

Trying to protect postcard sales or protect "copyright" is extremely short-sighted.

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