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Author Solivagant
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#16 | Posted: 9 Sep 2016 11:34 | Edited by: Solivagant 
I note that, with the addition of 10 to its T List in April of this year, Turkey now has far and away the largest T List of any country. I post below some analyses I have carried out and some comments on the rate and nature of the additions

The current "Largest T List" countries (30 or more sites, with such corrections and reconciliations as I have been able to identify compared with the UNESCO figures and those on this Web site) are -
Turkey - 69 (70 on UNESCO as Ani not removed). 59 on Els as 10 in Apr 2016 not yet added)
China - 53 (56 on UNESCO as Huashan and Shannongiya not removed. And Chinese section of Silk Rd – land section appears to be on twice from 2008 and 2016 – but these may genuinely be separate?)
Iran- 47 (49 on UNESCO as Lut and Qanats not removed).
India - 44 (47 on UNESCO as Nalanda, Le Corb + Kanchen not removed. 43 on Els as Keibul Lamjao not added)
Italy - 41 (and on UNESCO. 40 on Els as CL of Benedictine settlements not yet added)
France - 37 (UNESCO 38 but Le Corb not removed. 36 on Els but Terres Australes not added)
Egypt - 33 (all "agree")
Spain - 32 (33 on UNESCO as Antequara not removed).
Uzbekistan - 30 (31 on UNESCO as W Tienshan not removed.)

So – there are "only" 3 "European" countries (not including Turkey!) among the top 9. Whether this trend will be carried through to nominations and successful inscriptions in the coming years is another matter no doubt! But Turkey, China and Iran certainly have been very successful both at bringing sites forward and in convincing the WHC (if not always the AB!!!) to inscribe.

In my posts above, I outlined the "in and out" history of Turkey's engagement with the WHS scheme and, in particular its significant activity since 2011. This addition of 10 more sites in Apr 2016 continues the trend. Unlike many countries which are on a 7 or 10 year cycle for renewing their T List, Turkey is adding to its T List every year on around the same date in April! So the 54 additions for the past 6 years have been -

2011 15 April - 4 (inc Bergama)
2012 13 April - 13 (inc Ani)
2013 15 April - 4
2014 15 April - 13
2015 12 April - 10
2016 13 April – 10

During the same time it has achieved 7 inscriptions
2011 - Selemiye Mosque
2012 - Catalhoyuk
2014 - Bergama
2014 - Bursa and Cumalikizik
2015 - Ephesus
2015 - Diyarbakir
2016 - Ani

As far as I can make out, Turkey hasn't removed anything from its T List in those 6 years so the NET increase in that list is 54 added – 7 inscribed = 47!!

I pointed out above that Turkey had had a T List of 61 sites back in 1984 but had scrapped most of these and created one of a mere 18 sites in 2000. Most of the net increase from there to the current 69 has therefore occurred in the 2011 – 2016 period. Who knows whether it intends continuing to increase its T List each year – it already has enough to keep it going with nominations for many years to come!

Currently the list of sites "Formerly" on Turkey's T List as identified on this site stands at 23. When the big "clear out" occurred it must have been larger so a fair number must have been transferred back to Turkey's T List in recent years. Unfortunately "Wayback machine" hasn't kept the country pages from around 2010 and I have only identified the City of Van (added this year) as having "come back in". As of today, the "former" list includes a fair number of Natural sites which Turkey has seemed notably reluctant to place on its T List whilst, I suspect, many of the cultural sites have been transferred back onto the current T List. So it isn't clear to what extent Turkey is targeting a different "set" of sites from those it identified (and later "rejected") all those years ago based, for instance, on an improved understanding of what "succeeds" and how many similar sites might have been inscribed by other countries. Looking at the 10 T List sites just added they can be categorised as
a. Mosques and related buildings - 5
b. Castles and Archaeological sites - 3
c. Bridges (Something of an Islamic "speciality" across Turkey, Bosnia and Iran!) - 1
d. Natural Sites - 1

So, the relative lack of Natural sites continues, as does the significant number of religious sites. I guess that Turkey might point out the number of Cathedrals inscribed within a relatively short distance of each other in Europe and comment that its own religious architectural styles deserve as much recognition!! But generally there certainly isn't a great deal of "Novelty" or creativity among the latest T List additions nor, as far as I can assess, of "gap filling"..

PS I note a number of Turkish Web sites being quite proud of Turkey adding 10 sites. E.g this in English headed "10 new Turkish sites on UNESCO list" and "Turkey now has 70 places on the tentative list. It makes us the country with the highest number of natural and cultural heritages on the UNESCO tentative list."!!!! - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/10-new-turkish-sites-on-unesco-list-.aspx?pageID=238 &nID=103724&NewsCatID=375
This has a bit of background about each site with photo - http://arkeofili.com/?p=17115

Author elsslots
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#17 | Posted: 9 Sep 2016 11:39 
Solivagant:
not yet added

On a side-note to this topic: I wonder why you don't see them, I added all the new ones already on Sept 6.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#18 | Posted: 9 Sep 2016 13:02 
elsslots:
I wonder why you don't see them

I guess it must have been a browser refresh issue - strange because I certainly loaded the site "afresh" today onto a new tab and, as far as I remember, will have done so several times as I looked at the T Lists of each of the different countries - many of which wouldn't have been looked at in many a month. The cached pages must have been very persistent!! A nuisance as it took a lot of effort to track down the differences across the 3 - "Correct", "UNESCO" and "Els"!!!

Author elsslots
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#19 | Posted: 24 Jul 2018 12:29 

Author elsslots
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#20 | Posted: 26 Dec 2018 01:29 

Author Solivagant
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#21 | Posted: 26 Dec 2018 05:15 
elsslots:
Íznik is also preparing a nomination in the near future.

"Been there"!!
Turkey has "better" - A very "historic" city of course but its viewable remains consist of yet more walls, early Ottoman mosques and pre Ottoman conquest churches. The main one of these is where the Council of Nicaea met and developed the "Nicaean Creed". After functioning as a mosque for centuries it became a museum under Ataturk but was back to being a mosque when we visited in 2015 - though we were shown the Byzantine Christian paintings - or what remained of them - with no problems!! Seems to be the way that Turkey under Erdogan is going - next the Hagia Sophia??? See this article from earlier this year - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/istanbul-s-hagia-sophia-is-at-the-centre -of-a-battle-for-turkey-s-soul-1.3342259

Iznik is nicely situated on a lake and is very close to Bursa (we visited on our way there). A lot of Ceramic shops too. "Up" primarily for the "Tourist spend" I suspect

Author sveinh
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#22 | Posted: 18 Feb 2019 14:07 | Edited by: sveinh 
Itinerary 13. - 18. februar - a short trip to Turkey west.

We have earlier visited Istanbul (2008) and Edirne/Selemiye (last september - together with Craig and Hubert), so we had a kind of head start.

The itinerery which Randi planned startet in Istanbul with a rental car and then head east, but because of bad weather we "turned it all around" and went south.
It ended up like this:

Day 1: 17:15 flight Oslo - Istanbul - arrive at midnight.
Overnight near Ataturk airport.
Day 2: Istanbul - Eceabat 3:40/300 km, ferry 0:30, Canakkale - Troy 0:30/30 km. See Troy. Troy - Bargama 3:00/190 km.
Overnight in Bergama.
Day 3: See Akropolis and site of Asklepeion in Bergama/Pergamon. Bergama - Seleçuk/Ephesos 2:20/180 km. See Ephesos. Seleçuk - Geyre/Aphrodisias 2:10/160 km.
Overnight in Geyre (the only available hotel).
Day 4: See Aphrodisias. Geyre - Kinik/Xanthos-Letoon 3:20/260 km. See Xanthos. Kinik - Pamukkale 3:30/255 km hours.
Overnight in Pamukkale.
Day 5: See Hierapolis-Pamukkale. Pamukkale - Bursa 5:15/425 km. See Bursa.
Overnight in Bursa.
Day 6: Bursa - Istanbul Ataturk airport 2:00/170 km.
Flight to Oslo 14:20

We had pre-booked only one hotel, the first night in Istanbul.

The roads are excellent and it's easy driving - little traffic in february, except for Istanbul.
It was a pleasure visting Turkey.

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