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Author Solivagant
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#1 | Posted: 25 Sep 2014 14:10 
Might as well start a new "Country" topic for this - I don't know how Spain with its enormous number of WHS has lasted this long without one!

Works of Antonio Gaudi
For some reason I looked at this site in more detail today and discovered 2 things of which I was previously unaware. Others may be more knowledgeable than I but it seems worth highlighting the facts in case not.

a. It has been inscribed in 2 stages -
i. Parque Güell, Palacio Güell and Casa Mila in 1984
ii. Casa Vicens, Nativity Façade and Crypt of the Sagrada Familia, Casa Batlló and Crypt at the Colònia Güell in 2005. 8 other of Gaudi's works were nominated in this extension but rejected by ICOMOS
The "record" of the Inscription on this site doesn't currently mention that it took place in 2 stages but assigns it all to 1984 (Els!!).

b. The description of the Sagrada Familia inscription above is significant - ONLY those portions of the building actually built up to Gaudi's death are included. I have been trying to think of other major elements of an inscribed site where only a portion of a building has been inscribed - a possible "connection" there?? A slight problem with the definition is that the Facade of the Nativity is surmounted by 4 towers but only that of St Barnabas had been completed by Gaudi's death in 1926. As the others (Saints Simon, Judas Thaddeus and Mathew) were well advanced at the time and sit directly above the Nativity facade it seems probable that they are also inscribed. However the Glory and Passion Facades constructed later are NOT inscribed as neither are any other sections not specifically mentioned or yet to be completed. This is clearly shown on the Map of the Building on the UNESCO Web site (Inscribed portions only are in red). I note that Wiki states "la Sagrada Família is a UNESCO World Heritage Site," and even includes a photo of a detail from the Passion Facade as an example - thus failing to bring out this aspect!!

Author meltwaterfalls
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#2 | Posted: 25 Sep 2014 18:07 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
In regards to the other sites where only a portion of a building is inscribed I think we may be able to get the minimum for an connection purely from Spain.

First off the Monuments of Oviedo and the Kingdom of the Asturias, only the Camara Santa of Oviedo cathedral is inscribed.

I thought the same was true of the Mudejar Architecture of Aragon, I thought only the side walls of la seo cathedral in Zaragoza were inscribed, but it turns out it is the whole thing. Although only the tower of San Martin church in Teruel is inscribed, so I guess that fits the bill.

I think there will be quite a few more, and I'm sure I've visited several, they just aren't coming to mind.

Author hubert
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#3 | Posted: 26 Sep 2014 17:34 
Solivagant:
I note that Wiki states "la Sagrada Família is a UNESCO World Heritage Site," and even includes a photo of a detail from the Passion Facade as an example - thus failing to bring out this aspect!!

That seems to be wrong only in the English Wiki. The Spanish, German and French Wiki correctly report that only the crypt and the nativity facade are inscribed.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 27 Sep 2014 03:25 | Edited by: Solivagant 
hubert:
That seems to be wrong only in the English Wiki

I have made a minor edit to the English Wiki article in this respect. We will have to see if the main article editor accepts it - Wikipedians are notoriously protective of their work and hostile to interlopers!! He/She really ought to alter the main sidebar as well but I have left that for him/her!!

Author pikkle
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 11 Feb 2016 19:24 
I have a question about the 2007 T-list "Renaissance and Baroque Arch in the City of Granada (extension of Granada)." I don't see this on the Spain World Heritage Center official T-list website, but I do find it in PDFs that have been prepared by UNESCO listing tentative sites. What exactly is this extension? I don't know of any particularly outstanding "arch" outside of the ones in the Alhambra itself. There is an arch in Granada - but I wouldn't describe it as Renaissance and Baroque...

Are we talking about the architecture of the city itself here? i.e. the quite nice cathedral

Thanks for any input as this is confusing and vague, as I've found many Spanish tentative sites to be.

Author pikkle
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 11 Feb 2016 19:25 
For example, it appears in this 2008 document: http://whc.unesco.org/archive/2008/whc08-32com-8Ae.pdf

Author hubert
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 12 Feb 2016 02:25 
pikkle:
I have a question about the 2007 T-list "Renaissance and Baroque Arch in the City of Granada (extension of Granada)."

It is a former T-list entry that was withdrawn. See the list on this website:
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/alltentativeold.php

The wayback machine has kept the entry:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080528151556/http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/51 36/

Author pikkle
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 13 Feb 2016 00:03 
hubert
Thanks so much, hubert! I had forgotten about the former t-list compilation. As a digital librarian who does this kind of stuff for a living I should've thought about the wayback machine, as well. My advisor was close friends with Brewster Kahle. So, I am simply assuming that "arch" means architecture after reading the old WHC description, as it's simply the typical monasteries/hospitals/chapels/cathedral that would be associated with the architecture of a "historic centre" site. Confusion solved!

Author clyde
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#9 | Posted: 16 Dec 2016 08:38 
I really enjoyed watching the film Finding Altamira and I'd recommend it to anyone interested. Having visited two of the other caves close to Altamira which are still open to the public, I promised myself to make an extra effort and pay a visit to the replica cave of Altamira in the future (even though my expectations are quite low after having visited the replica caves of Lascaux and Chauvet.

The film was very interesting as it portrayed the juxtaposition of Science vs Religion.

Author winterkjm
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#10 | Posted: 30 Nov 2017 01:45 

Author elsslots
Admin
#11 | Posted: 20 Apr 2018 08:10 
Something that was reported in our whatsapp group today and worth repeating here: currently it is possible for 5 lucky people a week to visit the real Altamira Cave. Every Friday there is a lottery where 5 names are drawn from people present at a certain time at the visitor center.

See http://www.mecd.gob.es/mnaltamira/en/que-hacer/visita-a-la-cueva.html

WH Traveller Ivan Rucek participated in the lottery today, but failed to win! Looking forward to see a review of the first winner of course...

Author vantcj1
Partaker
#12 | Posted: 20 Apr 2018 17:56 
elsslots:
Every Friday there is a lottery where 5 names are drawn from people present at a certain time at the visitor center.

That sounds as an amazing chance, If I go to northern Spain, would definitely visit Altamira in that timeframe, just to have the possibility to visit the cave.

Author joelonroad
Partaker
#13 | Posted: 22 Apr 2018 08:27 
clyde:
Having visited two of the other caves close to Altamira which are still open to the public, I promised myself to make an extra effort and pay a visit to the replica cave of Altamira in the future (even though my expectations are quite low after having visited the replica caves of Lascaux and Chauvet.

I realise this comment is a couple of years old, but I thought Altamira was the least impressive out of that, Chauvet and Lascaux. Chauvet was probably our favourite, whereas with the Lascaux replica it felt very much like a production line. Altamira you're just left to wander the replica, and sadly we had the misfortune of visiting at the same time as a horde of screaming schoolchildren!

What I find odd is that my video on Altamira is by far my most popular one, it has almost double the views of the next one! Will be interesting to see how the Lascaux and Chauvet videos perform.

Author Zoe
Partaker
#14 | Posted: 22 Apr 2018 08:36 
@els
Please note that the Church of San Salvador de Valdediós is an extensions to Asturian Monuments.

Author elsslots
Admin
#15 | Posted: 22 Apr 2018 09:03 
Zoe:
@els
Please note that the Church of San Salvador de Valdediós is an extensions to Asturian Monuments.

Yes, it is already there as a connection

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