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Author winterkjm
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#31 | Posted: 8 Jul 2016 23:54 
A while back all of us were surprised to see a report selecting a potential nomination from Hong Kong. The time may have already passed, so it may never be put forward. However, I did make a visit and it was beautiful to say the least, though I doubt it could ever prove OUV on its recent origin!

Chi Lin Nunnery and Nan Lian Garden (Hong Kong)

Author elsslots
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#32 | Posted: 9 Jul 2016 05:36 

Author winterkjm
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#33 | Posted: 11 Jul 2016 06:26 | Edited by: winterkjm 
I had not known much about China's 2 nominations this year. But all is revealed once the WHC session starts.

Shennongjia Nature Reserve (or Hubei Shennongjia) is quite an old nomination. Rejected in 1980, and the current nomination was added in 1996 to China's Tentative list. When a country has 55 tentative nominations, and its still putting forth nominations from 20+ years ago, I think it speaks for itself.

Zuojiang Huashan Rock Art Cultural Landscape is very close to Nanning, which I just realized put me within an hour or two drive from all 3 serial sites of this nomination! Another close call, since I was in the Nanning and Guilin area for about 10 days in 2006, almost exactly 10 years ago! Since this rock art nomination only came into existence in 2008, perhaps my ignorance is to be expected. The challenges of a WH traveller! In hindsight I should have been more ambitious while I was in Guangxi province, but I was tired from 2 weeks of traveling that covered Beijing, Qufu, and Xi'an!

Author Durian
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#34 | Posted: 1 Aug 2016 21:12 
Singaporean news article on huge sums of money spend in bidding and the rise of entrance ticket of WHS in China.

http://www.asianews.network/content/unesco-heritage-status-matter-pride-and-concern-c hina-23722

Author winterkjm
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#35 | Posted: 21 Aug 2016 15:01 
2017
- Gulangyu (China) C
- Qinghai Hoh Xil (China) N

2018
· Maritime Silk Road (China) C
- Shudao (China) M

2019
- The Ancient Waterfront Towns in the South of Yangtze River (China) C

2020
- City Walls of the Ming and Qing Dynasties (China) C

Wait List/Development: 6
- Lingqu Canal (China) C
- Liangzhu Archaeological Site (China) C
- Sites of Hongshan Culture: The Niuheliang Archaeological Site (China) C
- Ancient Tea Plantations of Jingmai Mountain in Pu'er (China) CL
- Xinjiang Altai Mountains [Extension] (China) N
- Jinggangshan--North Wuyishan [Extension] (China) M

Author winterkjm
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#36 | Posted: 28 Jan 2017 01:38 | Edited by: winterkjm 
2017
- Gulangsu: A Historic International Settlement (China) C
- Qinghai Hoh Xil (China) N

2018
· Maritime Silk Roads (China) C
- Fanjingshan (China) N


2019-2020
- The Ancient Waterfront Towns in the South of Yangtze River (China) C
- City Walls of the Ming and Qing Dynasties (China) C
- Shudao (China) M

Wait List/Development: 6
- Lingqu Canal (China) C
- Liangzhu Archaeological Site (China) C
- Sites of Hongshan Culture: The Niuheliang Archaeological Site (China) C
- Ancient Tea Plantations of Jingmai Mountain in Pu'er (China) CL
- Xinjiang Altai Mountains [Extension] (China) N
- Jinggangshan--North Wuyishan [Extension] (China) M


Author winterkjm
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#37 | Posted: 15 May 2017 05:09 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Italy 51
China 50


2017
Gulangyu (China) Inscribe
Qinghai Hoh Xil (China)
Venetian Works of Defense (Italy) Inscribe
Silla National Park (Italy) Not Inscribe
Primeval Beech Forests [Extension] (Italy)

Based on recent reports, there is definitely an awareness in Chinese media of the possibility of China becoming the leader/co-leader of the most world heritage sites. Based on the ICOMOS/IUCN reports we can reliably confirm China and Italy will (at least) have 52 world heritage sites each by the end of the WHC. The possibility still remains that Italy will surpass China (by one) if the Primeval Beech Forest [Extension] is approved.

2018
Maritime Silk Road - Qunazhou (China)
Fanjingshan (China)
The Prosecco Hills of Conegliano and Valdobbiadene (Italy)

Author Durian
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#38 | Posted: 11 Aug 2017 23:23 
Jiuzhaigou Earthquake

Many of natural wonders in this WHS are destroyed by earthquake. One of the latest report is its famous nuorilang waterfalls completely gone!

http://shanghaiist.com/2017/08/11/nuorilang-waterfalls-turned-to-mud.php

Author Durian
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#39 | Posted: 11 Aug 2017 23:26 
Jiuzhaigou's sparking lake is no more

Also destroyed by earthquake.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/11/c_136518646.htm

Author clyde
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#40 | Posted: 12 Aug 2017 13:47 
What a pity! :(

Author winterkjm
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#41 | Posted: 28 Jan 2018 11:22 
Based on this report the Ming Dynasty Tombs will be opened fully in the coming years, after re-locations and restoration. Relocation of individuals from heritage areas and buffer zones is inevitably controversial. This will certainly change the experience for world heritage travelers with the announcement that all 13 tomb clusters will become public, compared to the 3 currently open tombs areas. I expect, this will create an interesting juxtaposition with the 18 Joseon tombs.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2130940/beijing-plans-move-15000-villa gers-away-its-600-year-old-ming

Author Solivagant
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#42 | Posted: 23 Mar 2018 03:35 | Edited by: Solivagant 
@Zoe Cheng

Hi Zoe - thanks for your review of Jinfushan Scenic Spot (20 March 2018) - https://www.worldheritagesite.org/tentative/id/1624
You comment "The park entrance rock boasts a UNESCO World Heritage Site inscription with a date from 2014 which must point to the biosphere listing instead."
As far as I can see Jinfushan is NOT a UNESCO World biosphere reserve and the UNESCO WH Sign (Correctly!!!) refers to the fact that it WAS added to the South China Karst inscription in 2014. See http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-06/25/content_17615549.htm
So you have in fact also visited another location of the S China Karst WHS!!
We have its location correctly shown on our Map of the China Karst WHS. But (ELS) we could add another example for the Connection "Already inscribed - still on T List" - but see discussion below. Is it REALLY "already inscribed" if the reasons for any second inscription would be different??

I have just read the AB review for its addition which states "The Jinfoshan Karst is a unique karst table-mountain characterized by underground river and cave systems with high altitude and multi-level planation surfaces surrounded by massive towering cliffs. Jinfoshan illustrates the process of dissection of the high elevation karst plateau by deep fluvial incision and contains evidence of the region's intermittent uplift and karstification since the Cenozoic". So it was, not surprisingly, added to the S China Karst inscription SOLELY for its Karstitic cave values. IUCN stated "Jinfoshan Karst is a world-class karst table-mountain surrounded by huge precipitous cliffs punctured by giant entrances to the caves that underlie the mountain."

However its "other" claim to fame is its vegetation. Since this doesn't figure in the OUV of S China Karst it would I suppose have been difficult to have included it in the justification for the extension. This presumably is the reason why it still resides on China's T List - it might (??) yet be separately and "differently" inscribed as the home of "the refuge of ancient plants, it has very rich special plants and rare plants, such as Cathaya argyrophylla which is called the "live fossil" and about 2000 pieces now exist; other plants, such as dawn redwood, dove tree and so on are also very rich." (UNESCO). Though, having acquired that prized UNESCO logo already one wonders if China would bother with another nomination!!

I have been trying to think of any single NATURAL location inscribed within 2 different WHS for different natural criteria - but can't (Though this happens for cultural sites - e.g the Beguinage in Brugge is inscribed once for being a Beguinage and again (with a different set of criteria and OUV statement) for being a part of the City of Brugge!). So, if this did happen, it might be "unique"!

Regarding our "single" Connection for "Already Inscribed - still on T List". On reflection it seems to me that there are 2 potential reasons why this might happen and that we should try to identify and differentiate them, either by text or by having 2 slightly different Connections
a. For reasons unknown -e.g bureaucratic incompetence - a location has been left on a country's T List despite having been already inscribed for the same reasons as it is still on the T List
b. The location remains on its country's T List because it would nominated for different reasons and in different boundaries/reasons than those for which it has already been inscribed (This might happen by it being nominated by itself or as part of a different "collection" of locations exhibiting a different set of OUV.)

If we look for instance at "Slender West Lake" - already inscribed as part of the Grand Canal. If it were to be nominated in future the reasons would not be directly related to those of its Grand Canal inscription but because
a. Slender West Lake in Yangzhou is a typical demonstration of Chinese traditional public tourism destination, representing the taste and life style in Chinese traditional society. He Gar-den and Ge Garden illustrate the changes on people's taste and way of life in the revolutionary phase of China society from feudal to modern times.
b. He Garden and Ge Garden are the representative works and outstanding example of Chinese art of garden design. Slender West Lake is an excellence of the design of Chinese ancient cities.
c. Historic Urban Area in Yangzhou shows the principles and thoughts of Chinese city plan and construction, as well as the special way of development of Chinese old commercial cities. Slender West Lake represents the relationship between nature and human within Chinese traditional city, as well as cultural landscape and natural environment. "


On the other hand Shush, Iran would just appear to have been left on from its original addition to the Iranian T List way back in 1997 despite being "overtaken" by Susa.

Author elsslots
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#43 | Posted: 23 Mar 2018 07:28 
Solivagant:
Regarding our "single" Connection for "Already Inscribed - still on T List". On reflection it seems to me that there are 2 potential reasons why this might happen and that we should try to identify and differentiate them, either by text or by having 2 slightly different Connections
a. For reasons unknown -e.g bureaucratic incompetence - a location has been left on a country's T List despite having been already inscribed for the same reasons as it is still on the T List
b. The location remains on its country's T List because it would nominated for different reasons and in different boundaries/reasons than those for which it has already been inscribed (This might happen by it being nominated by itself or as part of a different "collection" of locations exhibiting a different set of OUV.)

I will add this insight to the connection description. It would be hard to say however whether an individual site is still on the T List for reason a or b, I think it's best not to speculate and add a marker to the listed sites (we can speculate away on the Forum of course).

Author Zoe
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#44 | Posted: 23 Mar 2018 09:23 
Oh, that karst! Now it makes sense. Thanks for that info! From the walkways allowed in the park there is not much to see from the unique vegetation.

Solivagant:
Though, having acquired that prized UNESCO logo already one wonders if China would bother with another nomination!!

Yeah, exactly. I think they focus on places to raise tourist numbers first. Jinfoshan has plenty already.

Author Durian
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#45 | Posted: 25 Mar 2018 05:38 | Edited by: Durian 
Els, i read articles about Lei Family, imperial architect of Qing Dynasty and found that at least 6 WHS were built or designed by this family!
- Imperial Palace, rebuilt Tianhe Hall and many post Ming buildings
- Imperial Tombs, many Qing tombs
- Chengde resort
- Summer Palace
- Temple of Heaven
- West Lake, former imperial Xinggong garden in Zhongshan Park

A new connection!

http://www.theworldofchinese.com/2015/08/yangshi-lei-qings-architect-family/
http://m.scmp.com/magazines/style/people-events/article/2137787/legendary-lei-family- architects-who-built-chinas-world

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