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Author clyde
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#46 | Posted: 17 Aug 2019 17:07 | Edited by: clyde 
Colvin Glad you liked it and hopefully it will help others enjoy the different WHS locations.

Author Messy
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#47 | Posted: 22 Sep 2019 09:11 
Tomorrow evening, I fly out to Rome from New Jersey's Newark airport. I have to be in London by October the eighth (8/10). What do you recommend from the 24th to the 30th?

Author Colvin
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#48 | Posted: 22 Sep 2019 09:55 | Edited by: Colvin 
Messy:
What do you recommend from the 24th to the 30th?

That's really a bit broad. Have you been to Rome before? Are you looking for recommendations on what the best sites are to visit or for what events might be happening during that week? Or are you asking about what day trips out of Rome are worthwhile?

For sights to see, Rome is a feast for ancient architecture, making it an excellent city to roam at large. And I always recommend the gelato.

Author Messy
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#49 | Posted: 23 Sep 2019 13:33 
I was robbed there many years ago (a hoard of Gypsies stole everything on the left half of my body), and had to get a new passport, and when I got it, I had to sleep in front of Termini station and was kind of robbed again. I've been there s number of times since then. A fascinating place, but I'll never love it.

Author kintante
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#50 | Posted: 25 Sep 2019 03:28 
Day trip by train to Tarquinia for the Etruscan tombs. Other day trip by train to Tivoli for the Villa d'Este and the Roman villa. There are also fast trains to Naples. Naples region offers many great sites, but you need to stay there a few nights.

Author Astraftis
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#51 | Posted: 8 Oct 2020 20:29 | Edited by: Astraftis 
After these sad accounts of robbings in Rome more than a year ago, maybe does this thread need to be revitalized? :-)

So, what has been going on recently?

- From the information gathered in the respective threads, these are going to be the upcoming nominations.

2020: Padova urbs picta (painted city) - Scrovegni chapel and other XIVth century paintings
2021: The porticoes of Bologna
2022: ? Unknown - Via Appia?
(2023: The river Tiber???)

- As a comparison of some kind, the inscriptions of the last years were:

2019: The Prosecco hills
2018: Ivrea
2017: Venetian works of Defence (Bergamo, Peschiera del Garda and Palmanova)
2016: Nothing!!! How's that possible? :-P

Some comments.

I have to say, the last four years seem to me to have brought forth quite unpredictable or weak choices. Who would have ever said that Ivrea would ever make it on the list?!? Among all the cities, it doesn't (didn't) attract much consideration beyond probably modern architecture/urbanistic enthusiasts. Also, the Prosecco hills came not so long after the vineyards in Piedmont. Of the nominations of the few last years, the Venetian Stato da Terra was maybe the more "classic" one, albeit from an unusual perspective: three sites with a potential of their own got inscribed because of their fortifications. I mean, surely for Bergamo the part of this WHS are its Venetian walls, but it somehow feels as though the whole city got rewarded. It is not clear to me if this will hinder some possible future candidation of the rest of the city (which has been sitting on the tentative list for 14 years).

The upcoming nominations look like a return to the classics and might fill some "gaps": I read that Padova is one of the most beloved missing Italian sites in the forum, so many will be delighted to see it inscribed (I'm pretty sure it will)! And Bologna might well deserve its spot on the list as a città d'arte, too. Other possibilities like the Via Appia and the quirky, but valuable collection of historical sites along the Tiber (if it will ever make it in time for 2023) would also represent kind of "safe choices" with a rather high chance of being accepted.

So, for the future, let's hope that they will choose well from the TWHS and to get some cross-border WHS in to outrun China and come on top again! :-P One of my personal favorites among the TWHS is the Emilian Karst, especially the part in Reggio Emilia, of which I will perhaps write a review... it would be quite unique and the first natural one after Mount Etna after ten or more years. Others simply do not make sense, like the Via Francigena, which I hope will be quickly forgotten. I'm neither a great fan of Parma, actually. Still others, like Lago Maggiore & d'Orta, have some potential (I am thinking of the Isole Borromee) but need more focus.

Now, what's in the works? I know of the following:
- Mediterranean Alps: I am wondering what they are going to do with this one...
- The aforementioned river Tiber (the most important river in the world, as boasted by someone...): https://www.msn.com/it-it/notizie/italia/roma-tevere-patrimonio-dell-umanit%C3%A0-lanciata-la-candidatura/ar-BB19ojnX
-- They said "everything will be ready in three years"...
- There are vague ideas for very vague sites in Valtellina, as Solivagant investigated
- The application to add Sardinia's nuraghes to the tentative list has been just sent, with very good chances: https://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/regione/sardegna/2020/10/06/ansai-nuraghi-si-candidano-a-diventare-patrimonio-unesco_4baab51e-96ab-403e-b2a6-b8048c72ff6b.html
-- Now, this would be very interesting and I think I could vouch for it. But be prepared, if really everything goes through, this might involve more than 3500 chamber tombs, 10000 nuragic towers, and more. That's how you do it, no compromises!
- And finally, a petition was started to candidate the Alpine forts of Piedmont and Valle d'Aosta, like Bard: https://www.change.org/p/alberto-cirio-candidiamo-i-forti-alpini-piemontesi-e-valdostani-a-patrimonio-dell-unesco
-- They emphasize the touristic aspect more than anything else, let's see if they'll do it. Indeed, some stages at the Giro d'Italia (and some restauration works, if I remember well) brought some more attention to the forts.

Author jonathanfr
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#52 | Posted: 9 Oct 2020 03:22 
Astraftis:
- The application to add Sardinia's nuraghes to the tentative list has been just sent, with very good chances: https://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/regione/sardegna/2020/10/06/ansai-nuraghi-si-candidano-a-diventare-patrimonio-unesco_4baab51e-96ab-403e-b2a6-b8048c72ff6b.html
-- Now, this would be very interesting and I think I could vouch for it. But be prepared, if really everything goes through, this might involve more than 3500 chamber tombs, 10000 nuragic towers, and more. That's how you do it, no compromises!

I think an extension to Nuraghe di Santu Antine and to Nuraghe Losa would be enough.

Author Zoe
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#53 | Posted: 9 Oct 2020 07:00 
I think Italy dropped the ball a bit in the last few years, I made a list a couple of pages back of things I would consider inscription-worthy.

@Els did you visit Maddalena Island on your Sardinia trip? The beaches around the area have police that check you don't sit directly on the sand and carry it with you, i.e. only on blankets or on the stones. That's where tax payer money is well spent!

Author nfmungard
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#54 | Posted: 12 Oct 2020 04:38 
Astraftis:
Recent Past
2017: Venetian works of Defence (Bergamo, Peschiera del Garda and Palmanova)
2018: Ivrea
2019: The Prosecco hills

Future
2020: Padova urbs picta (painted city) - Scrovegni chapel and other XIVth century paintings
2021: The porticoes of Bologna

Aspiring
2022: ? Unknown - Via Appia?
(2023: The river Tiber???)

Indeed, it seems strange that a great site like Padova is later than the Prosecco Hills. One explanation (at least for Germany) can be regional decision making or enthusiasm by mayors etc.

Zoe:
I think Italy dropped the ball a bit in the last few years, I made a list a couple of pages back of things I would consider inscription-worthy.

You actually made the list in a different threat. I copied parts of it to this threat. ;)

Applying normal standards to WHS in Italy would result in an endless list of sites. Or the whole country being one big WHS. To me, only site I would add is Lecce and maybe the Alpine Lakes (Orta).

Author elsslots
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#55 | Posted: 12 Oct 2020 07:48 
Zoe:
@Els did you visit Maddalena Island on your Sardinia trip? The beaches around the area have police that check you don't sit directly on the sand and carry it with you, i.e. only on blankets or on the stones.

Yes I did, but I saw no police. Probably because it was off-season, or it only concerns the Pink Beach (which I did not visit).

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