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Author winterkjm
#361 | Posted: 1 Aug 2020 11:35 | Edited by: winterkjm 
I have serious doubts about White Sands National Park due to the military presence even with the new park designation.

Foundation Document - White Sands

"Cross-Boundary Management. Almost completely surrounded by US Department of Defense-owned lands, the monument works with the military to achieve mutually compatible goals that include management of the world's largest gypsum dunefield, visitor safety, and preservation of cultural values for the benefit of future generations. White Sands National Monument and White Sands Missile Range have a legally mandated cooperative relationship that ensures the long-term success of their divergent missions." Pg. 9

"Although the monument is located beneath the nation's largest military airspace and is bordered by military installations, this incongruous relationship enables a deeper understanding of the underlying mission that both institutions share in common: to preserve cultural values for the benefit of future generations." Pg. 10

"About 40% of the dunefield is located within White Sands National Monument, and the remainder located within the White Sands Missile Range and Holloman Air Force Base." Pg. 12

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _IUCN MAY HAVE ISSUES WITH_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Gypsum Dunefield [Threats]
"Issues related to the proximity of the missile range include: elevated erosion, contaminated runoff, unexploded ordnance, and missile/debris retrieval efforts." Pg. 13

Paleontological Resources [Threats]
"Disturbances from military activity (missile impacts and associated recovery efforts)" Pg. 18

Conditions [Trends]
"Monument closures due to military testing, typically 1–3 times/week (in 2014, 90+ tests were supported by the monument)." Pg. 20

Soundscapes and Viewscapes [Trends & Threats]
- "Park impacted by noise related to military activity, primarily sonic booms and low fly-in jet aircraft."
- "Military infrastructure/installations impact viewshed experience (especially at Alkali Flat)."
- "Increasing light pollution from surrounding communities within 100 miles, US Highway 70, and Holloman Air Force Base."
- "Military activity increasing, currently 90+ military tests occur a year (often one to two tests per week) that require monument closure." (all on page 26)

Biological Richness and Diversity [Threats]
"Military impacts and associated debris from military operations can be found throughout the monument, the debris probably impacts biologic communities." Pg. 29

Cross-Boundary Management [Conditions]
- "Mandated cooperation with the Department of Defense (White Sands Missile Range and Holloman Air Force Base)."
- "Park airspace is under military command and ownership." (all on page 31)

"Military Use and Impacts. White Sands National Monument is surrounded on three sides by land owned and managed by the Department of Defense, which poses a unique and sometimes challenging management condition for park staff. The Department of Defense helps to protect a large section of the dunefield from boundary encroachment, contributes to research activities, and helps protect the viewshed from within the monument. However, frequent closures of Dune Drive due to missile testing events limit visitor access, while sonic booms and vibrations may cause impacts on the historic structures. Other impacts include those to soundscapes and night skies, which can affect the overall visitor experience. In addition, there is the potential of destruction of dunes or structures by downed missiles and aircraft, and release of hazardous materials, which may impact wildlife and groundwater. To date, there are 350 documented crash sites within the monument. Unexploded ordnance can pose a safety hazard to those visitors, staff and researchers who access backcountry areas of the park. Finally, notable staff time is required to support ongoing military operations which affect park operations, including monument closures, educating visitors about closures, relationship building, crash impact site restoration and commitment to environmental regulations associated with the missile range (roughly 1–2 full-time equivalent staff per year)." Pg. 35

"Within the last 20 years, there have been 350 military mishaps within the monument, the most recent of which impacted access to Dunes Drive and landed only 2 miles from the monument's visitor center. With continuing flyovers, this risk continues, and therefore additional guidance on how to deal with the immediate and long-term effects of these crashes would enable the park to more effectively and efficiently respond to these events. This plan would include both rapid assessment and long-term rehabilitation efforts for impact sites." Pg. 36

Author Colvin
#362 | Posted: 4 Sep 2020 23:41 | Edited by: Colvin 
Just visited Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks and Serpent Mound today. Neither Tentative World Heritage Site was particularly crowded, likely due to Covid. Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks is still moving on with its process; a sticking point right now is that the Ohio History Connection is currently fighting in court to obtain a lease for the Octagon Earthwork at Newark, a recommended component of the nomination. The Octagon Earthwork is on the property of a country club, which holds the lease to the earthwork, and only allows public access four times a year. As for the Hopewell sites, I enjoyed both Mound City and the Seip Earthworks. There wasn't much to see at Hopewell Mound Group, which fell victim to generations of farming, with the mounds generally razed to near ground level.

At Serpent Mound, the docents were suggesting they might be added as a component to the Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks nomination. This is at odds with World Heritage Ohio, which states that Serpent Mound would be a separate nomination after Hopewell. The mound is rather spectacular to see.

Author Colvin
#363 | Posted: 14 Nov 2020 18:51 | Edited by: Colvin 
While spending a layover in Chicago on my train trip across the US, I took time to revisit the Early Chicago Skyscrapers, for which Kyle wrote an excellent review. As an update to some of his review that is current as of fall 2020, the interiors of The Rookery and the Monadnock Building are closed to visitors due to Covid. I'd been inside both on previous visits, and found the interiors impressive. Hopefully once Covid gets under control in the US (sadly, a tall order), these interiors will be open once more for visitors. On a more upbeat note, the interior of the Marquette Building, with its display on the history of Chicago skyscrapers, was open, and well worth the visit.

According to the sign on the front of the Auditorium Building, they are open on an extremely limited basis for public tours, as well as (for a heftier price) private tours for groups fewer than six people. This page has more details.

The interior of the former Carson, Pirie, Scott Department Store is open to visitors, but only because it has been remodeled into a Target store. The ornate steel facade at the corner entrance is still erect, as is the facade on the side entrance, which is currently closed. Interpretative signs can be found inside the corner vestibule, as well as next to the escalators and in the corner window on the second floor above the vestibule. Target maintained the interior columns with their intricate capitals, but they are unfortunately overshadowed by the shelving displays intrinsic to Target's formulaic design.

As Kyle noted, the remaining buildings are not open for visitors, regardless of Covid. For anyone interested in a photo of two of the proposed nominations next to each other, I can recommend the view of the upper floors of the Old Colony Building and the Fisher Building from the park next to the Fisher Building. Unfortunately the Chicago Loop elevated rail line makes it more challenging to view and compare the lower stories of the buildings.

I think the Early Chicago Skyscrapers is one of the best sites on the US TWHS list, and I look forward to it being inscribed someday.

Author winterkjm
#364 | Posted: 14 Jan 2021 02:15 | Edited by: winterkjm 
U.S. Nominations to the World Heritage List; 15-Day Notice of Opportunity for Public Comment

This notice requests public comment on the next potential U.S. nominations from the U.S. World Heritage Tentative List ("Tentative List") to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) World Heritage List. The public may also make suggestions for future additions to the Tentative List.

I personally supported the 2 sites below to become "priority" nominations for the United States. I also included 9 suggested tentative nomination additions which were informed by our "Top Missing" discussions.

Civil Rights Movement Sites - US ICOMOS have conducted symposiums, additional sites have been identified for inclusion, and there is community and stakeholder support.

California Current Conservation Complex - world class proposal and significant support at the state and local stakeholder level.

Additional information included in the Federal Register

Notes: (1) A nomination for the Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks was authorized for preparation in May 2018 by the Department of the Interior and is now under development. (2) The Department has requested and is now awaiting advice from the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS) on adding other properties to the proposal for the Civil Rights Movement Sites and its overall justification. (3) The government of the German state of Saxony is proposing an extension to the World Heritage listing of Christiansfeld, a Moravian Church Settlement in Denmark, that would include Herrnhut in Germany, the Moravian Bethlehem District in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and potentially other historic Moravian settlements in other countries.

*I would encourage all individuals that were engaged with the "Top Missing Europe and North America" discussions to submit their "priority" nominations from the US Tentative List and include prospective candidate sites worthy of consideration for the future tentative list update. Comments must be submitted by email.




Missing 2020

To submit comments:

Email to:

Author nfmungard
#365 | Posted: 14 Jan 2021 03:00 
Comments must be submitted by email.

To whom?

Civil Rights Movement Sites - US ICOMOS have conducted symposiums, additional sites have been identified for inclusion, and there is community and stakeholder support.

I feel this should not be inscribed as this is whitewashing of the racist history of USA. Bluntly stated, this is glorifying the fact that the USA were not a democracy till the 1960s. It should not be a WHS, but a national site.

Author winterkjm
#366 | Posted: 14 Jan 2021 11:40 | Edited by: winterkjm 
I feel this should not be inscribed as this is whitewashing of the racist history of USA. Bluntly stated, this is glorifying the fact that the USA were not a democracy till the 1960s.

I would be curious to hear your thoughts after browsing the US ICOMOS document below and looking at the proposed expansion of the nomination.

Civil Rights Movement Sites
Official Criteria: ii, vi

At these exemplary U. S. Civil Rights Movement Sites nonviolent protest over racially
segregated architecture, town-planning, and landscape design across the southeastern United
States culminated in extraordinary events that through desegregation transformed the built
environment, opening up the American system to all its citizens regardless of race, color,
religion, sex, or national origin, and inspiring elsewhere in the world civil disobedience
campaigns to create societies based on the universal values of freedom, democracy, and equality.

Dexter Avenue King Memorial Baptist Church Montgomery, Alabama
Bethel Baptist Church Birmingham, Alabama
16th Street Baptist Church Birmingham, Alabama

Expansion of tentative nomination to include a total of 13 components.

Central High School Little Rock, Arkansas
Ebenezer Baptist Church Atlanta, Georgia
Edmund Pettus Bridge Selma, Alabama
F. W. Woolworth Store Greensboro, North Carolina
Greyhound Bus Terminal and Bus Burning Site Anniston, Alabama
Lincoln Memorial Washington, D.C.
Lorraine Motel Memphis, Tennessee
Medgar and Myrlie Evers House Jackson, Mississippi
Monroe Elementary School Topeka, Kansas
Moton High School Farmville, Virginia

Author winterkjm
#367 | Posted: 14 Jan 2021 17:09 
Colvin, did you get a chance to view/read this? You were really active and had some great proposals regarding the "Top Missing" discussions. I would be curious, which sites you might prefer as "priority nominations" from the US T-List and any key sites you would suggest for additions to the Tentative List? There will not be a large number of participants who submit comments, which amplifies the voices who do share.

U.S. Nominations to the World Heritage List; 15-Day Notice of Opportunity for Public Comment

Author winterkjm
#368 | Posted: 17 Jan 2021 15:11 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Of the 11 cultural nominations (minus Hopewell) on the US Tentative List, what should become the next priority nomination?

Cultural Sites
1) Civil Rights Movement Sites, Alabama [other properties would be added for a complete nomination]
—Dexter Avenue King Memorial Baptist Church, Montgomery
—Bethel Baptist Church, Birmingham
—16th Street Baptist Church, Birmingham
2) Dayton Aviation Sites, Ohio
—Dayton Aviation Heritage National Historical Park
3) Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks, Ohio [authorized for preparation in May 2018 by the Department of the Interior and is now under development]
—Fort Ancient State Memorial, Warren County
—Hopewell Culture National Historical Park, near Chillicothe
—Newark Earthworks State Historic Site, Newark and Heath
4) Jefferson (Thomas) Buildings, Virginia (Proposed Jointly as an Extension to the World Heritage Listing of Monticello and the University of Virginia Historic District)
—Poplar Forest, Bedford County
—Virginia State Capitol, Richmond
5) Mount Vernon, Virginia
6) Serpent Mound, Ohio
7) Ellis Island, New Jersey and New York
8) Chicago Early Skyscrapers, Illinois, including: [Other Properties May Be Added in the Course of Developing a Nomination]
—Auditorium Building
—Monadnock Building
—Ludington Building
—Marquette Building
—Old Colony Building
—Schlesinger & Mayer (Carson, Pirie Scott) Department Store
—Second Leiter Building
—Fisher Building
9) Central Park, New York
10) Brooklyn Bridge, New York
11) Moravian Bethlehem District, Pennsylvania

It is clear which sites are active:

Moravian Bethlehem District, Pennsylvania
- Bid for World Heritage Status
- World Heritage Site Progress

Civil Rights Movement Sites
- Identifying U.S. Civil Rights Movement Sites
- U.S. Civil Rights Movement Sites and the World Heritage List - Webinar

I believe many of us in this community would like to see "Chicago Early Skyscrapers" move forward, but I'm unable to find any information to confirm activity or work being done to make this happen. Mount Vernon remains totally stalled with no plans (that I am aware of) to try to re-format a nomination file. Serpent Mound seems to have been largely ignored in favor of Hopewell and seems highly unlikely at this point. The extension tentative site "Jefferson (Thomas) Buildings" almost certainly will not move forward in this climate (and perhaps never will) as it includes the Capitol of the Confederacy and Poplar Forest, which essentially was Jefferson's personal retreat, while very much an active slave plantation at the time. According to its justification for OUV "These properties, much like the two already listed, reflect Jefferson's eclectic Classicism." Tone deaf much?

This leaves the only other potential cultural nominations being: Ellis Island, Central Park, Brooklyn Bridge, and the Dayton Aviation Sites

I suspect Moravian Bethlehem District or Civil Rights Movement Sites to be the next priority nomination if the NPS does not select a natural tentative site.

Author nfmungard
#369 | Posted: 18 Jan 2021 07:52 
I would be curious to hear your thoughts after browsing the US ICOMOS document below and looking at the proposed expansion of the nomination.

Happy for African Americans and their protest. And yes, this should be taught over and over again to all US citizens, so much so, that BLM and reparations are not as controversial statements as they seem to be till this day. Or simply acknowledging the fact that your country was pretty racist and still is. See recent event at the capitol.

But what precisely is the OUV here? What is the global significance when the US clearly was a late outlier and still is.

Author winterkjm
#370 | Posted: 18 Jan 2021 11:14 | Edited by: winterkjm 
You are off course right that systemic racism in the United States runs deep and remains interwoven into the basics of American life today. So much work remains to be done, particularly by White Americans to acknowledge the truth and actively work to repair damage done (reparations) and dismantle 'White Supremacy' in contemporary society.

I think the Civil Rights Movement Sites (expanded version - 13 components) can quite easily meet certain criteria, but most especially:

CRITERION (vi): Heritage Associated with Events of Universal Significance:
"To be directly or tangibly associated with events or living traditions, with
ideas, or with beliefs, with artistic and literary works of outstanding
universal significance. (The Committee considers that this criterion should
preferably be used in conjunction with other criteria)."

Pages 2-6 (Civil Rights Movement Sites) provide some compelling arguments for the Statement of Outstanding Universal Value. There is no disagreement amongst Historians, the US Civil Rights Movement had profound impacts around the world.

Author Colvin
#371 | Posted: 19 Jan 2021 16:37 | Edited by: Colvin 
Colvin, did you get a chance to view/read this?

Thanks for the heads up, winterkjm. Since I have some time today and tomorrow, I will see what comments I can pull together to send over. At the very least, the sites I am in favor of seeing come up next, following Hopewell Ceremonial Earthworks, would be the Central California Current, the Civil Rights Movement Sites (preferably with the proposed expanded sites), and the Chicago Early Skyscrapers.

As for submitting new proposals, it seems that it would require agreement of property owners as to the nomination of their property, which may make it challenging for some of our proposals. That said, I may send over ideas for new proposals anyway, with the idea that the US government as property holder for NPS sites may suffice.

Author nfmungard
#372 | Posted: 20 Jan 2021 08:46 | Edited by: nfmungard 
There is no disagreement amongst Historians, the US Civil Rights Movement had profound impacts around the world.

My concerns with the proposal:

* It should include the dark side of the whole story: the sites of segratation and Jim Crow. It doesn't seem to. By excluding the dark parts, it is whitewashing the past, turning a century of racial oppression by the US into a heroic (whitewashed) story of rising up. A different title that mentions racial unjustice would probably also help.

* Speaking of white washing: I am not sure the later or more "radical" parts of the movement are covered. Frankly, if my people were oppressed for centuries, I would be a radical myself.

* wikipedia gives 1954-1969 as time range for the civil rights movement. The decolonialization movement meanwhile was running way longer. The peaceful protest bit was devised by Gandhi before MLK. Haiti is probably the place that should be inscribed re liberation of slaves.

* Scanning the Englsih and German wikipedia I can't find any international influences this movement had. If you make the effort to compare languages you will see very brief legacy/influences sections of note. So the international influence is limited for international observers.

To me the proposal is one that trumpets American exceptionalism when the reality is that the history and treatment of African Americans in the US is anything but exceptional. And that's why I disagree with it.

Author Colvin
#373 | Posted: 20 Jan 2021 09:57 | Edited by: Colvin 
To me the proposal is one that trumpets American exceptionalism when the reality is that the history and treatment of African Americans in the US is anything but exceptional.

I don't dispute that the US continues to face issues with racial discrimination, but it is the protests for change led by African Americans that have led to change in the US, and these protests continue to serve as an inspiration to those seeking change and justice worldwide.

I would refer your concerns with the Civil Rights nomination to pages 5-7 of this document that winterkjm had linked to. Notably, the focus of the nomination emphasizes the "triumph of human rights" rather than "man's inhumanity to man.", and I think that is an appropriate focus. The document also gives a good overview of the international impact of the Civil Rights movement of the 1950's and 1960's. I don't see this as a nomination of US exceptionalism at all — rather, I see this as a nomination showing how those who have been discriminated against have challenged our nation to face our flaws and better live up to the ideal that "all men are created equal"; those calls for change have been echoed and emulated worldwide.

Author winterkjm
#374 | Posted: 20 Jan 2021 11:30 | Edited by: winterkjm 
It should include the dark side of the whole story

It does include the assassination location of both MLK and Medgar Evers and the location of "Bloody Sunday" Edmund Pettus Bridge. The small original nomination of 3 sites (which always expected to include more components) will not move forward, it will be the larger expanded nomination.

more "radical" parts of the movement are covered

What the nomination may be missing (as it currently exists) and where I agree with nfmungard to a certain degree, it might make sense that the Malcolm X and Dr. Betty Shabazz Memorial and Educational Center be included.

Author mrayers
#375 | Posted: 20 Jan 2021 11:33 
I sent my comments today, though since I don't have any particular favorites among the current t-list entries, I gave my suggestion for a new tentative site from our top-xx missing list.

I also spent some time listening to this interview, from late 2019, with Jonathan Putnam (the man who will receive the e-mails with comments) and he had some interesting thoughts about the process and WHS in general.

Also, the new government obviously has several more urgent matters to attend to right now, but has anyone heard any hints that the relationship with UNESCO might soon be reevaluated?

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