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when I count a site as visited

Author david
#1 | Posted: 1 May 2008 17:23 
I have a really simple way of counting visited WHS. I consider a site as visited when I have seen at least one monument or protected feature in the site intended as the core zone.

Author meltwaterfalls
#2 | Posted: 8 May 2008 10:08 
I have a pretty esoteric criteria, it basically comes down to if I 'feel' like I have visited a site, based mostly on my intention on the trip.
The only real problem with this come from Sites with multiple locations, can I count a site as visited if I have only visited one of seven towns inscribed? Again with this I just make up my own mind weather I have done the site justice.
A few weeks back I happened to bump into some of the senior members of English Heritage management in a pub in London and it seems that within the office they collect WHS as well and have a reasonably strict criteria for counting a site as visited, including having to see 75%+ of multiple inscriptions which although reasonable would make some sites almost impossible to tick off (Iberian rock art site is made up of 700+ sites)
Several times I have 'seen' sites without visiting them as I just caught a glance or had no idea what they were only later to find out that were important and I don't count these. I have put them into a pretty frustating list of 'nearly' visited sites

Author sangetor
#3 | Posted: 13 May 2008 17:04 
As far as I am concerned, I try to count exactly what I have seen. For example, I have just been to Sicily and the site "Late Baroque Towns of the Val di Noto (South-Eastern Sicily)" includes 8 cities. Since I have seen only 2 of these cities, I count only 0.25 (2/8). I plan to see the other cities the next time I go to Sicily.
It's true that the "Iberian rock art site" is a pretty difficult one: I have seen only 2 of the 467 sites that can be visited which means 0.043 ;-(
It makes it even more challenging that the 75%+ rule described by meltwaterfalls but it seems to me to be more fair.

Author Solivagant
#4 | Posted: 14 May 2008 04:57 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Multiple location sites are really only a "special case" of many sites which cover more than a single building in that there are gaps between their defined boundaries. But a site with 6 separate locations and say, a town, with a number of streets and districts both raise the same question of how many of the locations/districts/streets/buildings "need" to have been seen. It surely depends on whether the other "locations" etc really "add" anything or whether they are just "more of the same". And even single buildings have "multiple rooms" How many rooms does one have to "see" to see 100% of Versailles! And with Natural Sites the problem is worse what about multiple trails, mountains, lakes etc etc.

And all sites have an "experiential" aspect to visiting them which varies according to a very wide range of factors which can add to or detract from the value of what you "see". What if I go to the Okapi reserve and don't see an Okapi - 0% or 100%??? What if it is raining and I don't get the great view of somewhere, or if a significant aspect is closed on the day I visit, or we are there with a particularly good guide, or my viewing experience is ruined by a great clamour of school kids as I was going round, or I had a bad headache....... etc etc in reductio ad absurdam!!

And even if I do "See" it - one man's "See" is another man's "Missed all the nuances and interesting bits....." For instance I fully accept that I am not good at "seeing" Gothic cathedrals I walk round and think "well it's certainly big" and then move on. If only I could really appreciate them I know others get far more out of them than I do!

For these sorts of reasons I don't favour the "mathematical approach" but prefer the "qualitative" which inevitably has to be "personal" and not comparable across individuals. So I count a site as "seen" if I "see" ANY part of it and get that "simple count" issue out of the way. Whether I count it in my mind as "seen" is another matter altogether as I then take into account the sort of factors mentioned above. If I want to go back again then perhaps I can't have fully "seen" it! (Idea - perhaps I should have a list of Sites "I want to go back to"!! But then I need to balance these against "Sites I haven't yet seen but want to"!) In any case there will be things I don't realise I "saw" until I get back and do a bit of study and discover the significance of something possibly quite minor. That is why prior study is a help to avoid the situation of getting home and discovering that you missed something significant- which means it can't fully be counted as "seen" in your mind! But then I don't know what I don't know and might be missing all sorts of things on that basis - and I change over time as well and "see" different things so perhaps the true answer is that no site can ever be ticked off as "seen"!

3 stories (Not WHS related but still apposite I think)
a. We had just "seen" our first Polar bear in Svalbard a brownish white "object" at 3 miles through binoculars from our boat which must have been a bear as it seemed to be moving . We all sat round and discussed whether, if that was the only one we got on the trip, would we have "seen" Polar bear. Later we had an hour following by boat at 20 metres a mother and 2 cubs "doing" what Polar bears generally "do" not a great deal but generally behaving quite "bearlike"! We were pretty pleased. That evening our guide showed us photos of a number of Polar Bears tearing the flesh off a whale who had "seen" Polar Bear?
b. In the Amazon forest an American millionaire was trying to "see" 1000 bird species in a year he had a professional guide with tapes of bird calls and played one near us out came a Goeldi's Antbird. Within 30 seconds the bird had been ticked and the pair moved on to the next on their list. At the same place was a guy studying Ant birds for a year. Who was "seeing" them?
c. In a small and frankly, undistinguished, Vermont town I asked where was the best place round there to go to see the "Fall scenery" - I was going to give it about half an hour - I mean, how long can you spend looking at orange leaves! ... "Man you could burn up a whole life here and still not see everything" was the reply. I was put in my place!

Author Iain Jackson
#5 | Posted: 25 May 2008 07:08 
I've had this issue in mind for some time now but I'm still not clear just how much I have to do to be able to claim, with a clear conscience, that I have
"seen" a site (I usually use the rather childish term "bagging" when I visit a site). It has particular relevance for me at the moment as I will shortly be walking about 120 kms of the Camino de Santiago in Spain. When I add this to the 160 kms I have already walked will I have bagged this site?
When visiting Multiple Location sites, I consider a site bagged when I have seen 50% +1 of those locations. Of course there are still cases where I visit all the multiple locations making up a site, just for the sheer pleasure of doing so, and, in one recent case, Vicenza and the Palladian villas, after seeing about 8 of the locations, I decided that I was merely repeating the same experience and so moved on. Philistine? Perhaps.
So, I suppose unless a better criterion comes along I'll continue with my 50%+1 in most cases and rely on a gut feeling on a few exceptional occasions.

Author jonathanfr
#6 | Posted: 19 Jan 2018 13:12 
Regarding the 9 sites not open to tourists, could we consider having visited the site if we touch the official UNESCO plaque near the site? These are not in the central zone but seeing things like this would allow a less strict approach to validate the visit of a site.

2 examples: -grotte-ornee-du-pont-d-arc-dite-grotte-chauvet-pont-d-arc

Author GaryArndt
#7 | Posted: 19 Jan 2018 13:43 
My criteria for a minimal visit is to take one representative photo of the site.

That is why I don't count a few places I've technically been to.

Author clyde
#8 | Posted: 19 Jan 2018 20:58 | Edited by: clyde 
Although I'm quite a fan of unesco plaques, I wouldn't necessarily count a plaque as visiting a whs - the aldabra plaque is in vallee de mai, Seychelles but it would take much more effort (and money) to visit the former!

Author jonathanfr
#9 | Posted: 20 Jan 2018 01:39 
Ok, good arguments

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