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Author kkanekahn
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#91 | Posted: 13 Jan 2014 03:20 | Edited by: kkanekahn 
winterkjm:
If I understand correctly, excluding previous Top 50 sites and sites already suggested, your list includes (16) new suggestions


I want to delete 3 places Kushinagar,Nanakana Sahib and Medina.Though these are spiritually important but not show ouv in architecture.

Varanasi and Sarnath are different sites.

Author kkanekahn
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#92 | Posted: 13 Jan 2014 03:39 
Khuft:
Using survey monkey we could do the initial round of voting for the Top 10 missing. The 10 sites which garnered the most votes would be selected, then we would continue voting the next Top 10 missing. Once we got to 50 (or another fixed number), our list would be complete.


I support this process but instead of Khuft's list #62, I want to include some more sites from jonathanfr's, Assif's and my extended lists which are extremely deserving and still could make into the list (like as vantcj1 commented e.g. on the Pharaonic Temples of Kom Ombo and Edfu, Gobeklitepe, Vatnajφkull, Petrified Forest National Park, Kuhikugu, Monteverde, San Lorenzo de Tenochtitlαn, Karoo Desert, Lena Delta, Tempelhof, the Dilwara Temples at Mt Abu, Meenakshi Temple in Madurai)

Author kkanekahn
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#93 | Posted: 13 Jan 2014 04:54 
winterkjm:
Concerning Kkanekhn, have you had the chance to select your top 3 favorites to add? I can't add all 16 (though all look great).


cultural sites

Dilwara temples
Meenakshi Temple
Speicherstadt and Chilehaus

Natural sites

Kangchendzonga National Park
Forests of Southern New Caledonia
Okavango

Author winterkjm
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#94 | Posted: 13 Jan 2014 19:07 | Edited by: winterkjm 
UPDATE
Khuft:
Afghanistan - Band-E-Amir – N – NEW (on TL)
Afghanistan - City of Herat – C – NEW (on TL)
Angola - Quiηama National Park – N – ORIG
Antarctica (claimed by New Zealand) - Ross Island – M – ORIG
Argentina / Peru – Railways of the Andes – C – ORIG
Australia - Cape York and the islands of the Torres Strait – M – NEW
Austria - Modern Legacy of Vienna – C – ORIG
Belgium - Westhoek: places of memory and monuments of the Great War – C – ORIG
Bhutan - Dzongs of Bhutan – C – ORIG
Bolivia / Peru - Lake Titicaca – M – ORIG
Botswana - Okavango Delta – N – NEW (on TL)
Brazil - Kuhikugu - C - NEW
Burkina Faso - Peaks of Sindou – N – ORIG
Canada / USA - Klondike and the Gold Rush trails – C – ORIG
China - Tashilunpo Monastery in Tibet – C – ORIG
China / Kyrgyzstan / Kazakhstan - Silk Roads – C – NEW (on TL)
China - The Grand Canal – C – NEW (on TL)
Colombia - Ciudad Perdida – C – ORIG
Costa Rica - Monte Verde - N - NEW
Cyprus (North) - Fortified City of Famagusta - C – ORIG
Egypt / Israel - Marine Reserves of Sinai – N – ORIG
Egypt - Suez Canal – C – ORIG
Egypt - Alexandria, ancient remains and the new library – C – NEW (on TL)
Egypt - Pharaonic Temples of Kom Ombo and Edfu - C - NEW - (on TL)
France / India - Vers une architecture: Major Buildings of Le Corbusier – C – ORIG
France - Devils Island (on French Guiana) – M – ORIG
France - Drift Passes of Rangiroa, French Polynesia N - NEW
France - Forests of Southern New Caledonia – N - NEW
France / Fiji / Tonga / Samoa / USA (Hawaii) - Rainforests of Polynesia – N – NEW ( 2/5 on TL)
France - La Grotte ornιe Chauvet-Pont d'Arc – C – NEW (on TL)
Germany - Olympic Park in Munich – C – ORIG
Germany / Switzerland / Poland - Divided Cities along the German Border – C – ORIG
Germany - Neuschwanstein Castle – C - NEW
Germany - Tempelhof Airport, Berlin – C - NEW
Germany - Speicherstadt and Chilehaus with Kontorhaus District – C – NEW (on TL)
Ghana - Sumbrungu Painted Houses – C – ORIG
Greece - Diolkos: Ancient Railways – C – ORIG
Greece - Minoan palaces of Crete – C – ORIG
Greece - Cultural Landscape of Santorini – C – ORIG
Guyana - Kaieteur National Park, Iwokrama Forest and the Kanuku Mountains – N - NEW
Iceland - Vatnajφkull National Park - N - NEW - (on TL)
India - Andaman Islands – M – ORIG
India - Amritsar - C– ORIG
India - Varanasi – C – ORIG
India - Palitana – C – ORIG
India - Chhatris (cenotaphs) of Orchha – C - NEW
India - Kangchendzonga National Park - N - NEW - (on TL)
India - Meenakshi Temple in Madurai - C - NEW
India - Dilwara Temples at Mt Abu - C - NEW
Indonesia - Tana Toraja Cultural Landscape – C – ORIG
Iran - Towers of Silence – C – ORIG
Iraq - Ur – C – ORIG
Iraq - Taq-I-Kisra (Arch of Ctesiphon) – C – ORIG
Iraq - The Sacred Complex of Babylon – C – NEW (on TL)
Ireland - Island of Inishmore – C – ORIG
Israel - Triple-arch Gate at Dan & Sources of the Jordan – C – NEW (on TL)
Italy - Scrovegni's Chapel – C – NEW (on TL)
Kazakhstan / USA - Baikonur Cosmodrome / Cape Canaveral – C – ORIG
Laos - Si Phan Don Complex – M - NEW
Laos - Sites Mιgalithiques de la province de Xieng Khouang – C – NEW (on TL)
Lebanon - Ensemble du site naturel de la rιgion du Chouf avec les monuments et les sites – archιologiques qui s'y trouvent – C – NEW (on TL)
Mexico - Copper Canyon – N – ORIG
Mexico - Cenotes of the Yucatan – N – ORIG
Mexico – Naica Cave: Cave of the Crystals – N - NEW
Micronesia (Federated States of) - Nan Madol – C – ORIG
Mongolia/China - Great Gobi Desert - N - New (on TL)
Myanmar / Thailand - Mergui Archipelago and Andaman Coast – N - NEW
Myanmar – Bagan – C – ORIG
Myanmar - Shwedagon Pagoda – C – ORIG
Myanmar - Wooden Monasteries of Konbaung Period: Ohn Don, Sala, Pakhangyi, Pakhannge, Legaing, Sagu, Shwe-Kyaung (Mandalay) – C – NEW (on TL)
Netherlands - Panorama Mesdag – C – ORIG
Nigeria - Benin Iya / Sungbo' s Eredo – C – NEW (on TL)
Norway – Svalbard – N – ORIG
Oman - Jebel Shams, Wadi Nakhur, and Wadi Ghul – M – ORIG
Palestine Territories - Mount Gerizim: the holiest Samaritan site near Nablus – C – ORIG
Palestine Territories - Jericho – C – ORIG
Panama - Panama Canal – C – ORIG
Papua New Guinea - Middle and Upper Sepik – M – ORIG
Papua New Guinea - The Sublime Karsts of Papua New Guinea – M – NEW (on TL)
Papua New Guinea / Indonesia - Rainforests of Papua, Extension of Upper Sepik River Basin – M – NEW (on TL)
Pakistan – Concordia – N – ORIG
Peru - Huaca de la Luna and Huaca del Sol – C - NEW
Peru / Argentina / Bolivia / Chile / Colombia / Ecuador - Sistema Vial Andino/Qhapaq Ρan – C – NEW (on TL)
Philippines - El Nido-Taytay Managed Resource Protected Area – N – NEW (on TL)
Russia - Communist heritage of Volgograd – C – ORIG
Russia - The Soviet Architecture of Moscow – C – ORIG
Russia - Tobolsk – C – ORIG
Russia - Transiberian Railway – C – ORIG
Russia - Kolyma Highway (the Road of Bones) – C – ORIG
Russia - Lena Delta - N - NEW
Saudi Arabia - Mecca, Kaaba – C – ORIG
Serbia - Synagogue of Subotica C - NEW
South Korea - Southwestern Coast Tidal Flats – N – NEW (on TL)
Syria - Ebla (Tell Mardikh) – C – NEW (on TL)
Spain - Guggenheim Museum Bilbao, Frank Gehry – C - NEW
Somalia - Laas Gaal – C - NEW
Trinidad and Tobago - La Brea Pitch Lake – N – ORIG
Turkey - The Archaeological Site of Gφbeklitepe - C - NEW (on TL)
Ukraine - Chernobyl – C – ORIG
Ukraine - Palaces of Yalta – C – ORIG
United Kingdom - Infrastructure of the Industrial Revolution in Britain – C – ORIG
United Kingdom - Historic University Towns of Oxford and Cambridge – C - NEW
United States - Latte Stones of the Mariana Islands – C – ORIG
United States - Major Buildings of Frank Lloyd Wright – C – ORIG
United States - Chicago School of Architecture – C - NEW
United States - Death Valley National Park – N - NEW
United States - Ford River Rouge Complex – C - NEW
United States - Golden Gate Bridge – C - NEW
United States - Hollywood Studios & Movie Palaces – C - NEW
United States - Mount Rushmore – C - NEW
United States - Petrified Forest National Park - N - NEW - (on TL)
Vanuatu - Tanna Island – M – ORIG

Author winterkjm
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#95 | Posted: 13 Jan 2014 19:15 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Is there anything I missed? I feel there are some overlooked sites Bojboj posed for the Philippines. Are any of them Top 50? I did not want to exclude his only suggestions, but we were trying to not suggest sites from home countries. Everything Khuft and I included here has been either entirely new non-national suggestions, seconded suggestions, or original. Including the original Top 50, we now have 112 candidates to vote for
on Survey Monkey. Any progress on that front, I am not sure who said they would develop a survey? Assif or Meltwaterfalls?

I think we will have a great inventory of sites to vote on. Maybe we should close suggestions very soon, unless there was any last minute suggestions from people who have not really proposed much?

I just made the updates Kkanekahn.

Author kkanekahn
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#96 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 01:49 | Edited by: kkanekahn 
winterkjm:
South Africa - Karoo Desert - N - NEW - (on TL)


I thought it is a Cultural site due to presence of fossils.Though it contains extinct Karoo vertebrates, it does not deserve in top 50 missing sites. I am sorry about my mistake.

Similarly San Lorenzo Tenochtitlαn is not so authentic. Colossal Head are now located at Museo de Antropologνa de Xalapa.

So I want to remove Karoo Desert and San Lorenzo Tenochtitlαn from my suggestions.

I also suggested Ephesus(Turkey) which is not in the list.

I am ready for voting.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#97 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 05:33 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
winterkjm:
on Survey Monkey. Any progress on that front

I was just waiting for a full consensus on how we were setting up the vote and on what list then it should only take a few moments to set up the survey.

One thing if we go down the route of selecting a top 10:
Having gone through and tried my top 10 I realised that very quickly I just ran out of space voting for the obvious ones. I think there are at least 10 in the list above that would have 90-100% support from all members who will vote.

Is it worth us just getting a top 10 that are obviously going to make it through and then voting on the remaining 40? Otherwise we run the risk of having everyone putting forward 8-9 or 10 identical sites. We could potentially have a Top 50 missing consisting of 9 sites voted for by everyone and then a few randoms with one vote that have been included due to personal preference/ tactical voting.

--List of sites redacted by Meltwaterfalls--

Author elsslots
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#98 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 06:30 
meltwaterfalls:
I just ran out of space voting for the obvious ones

We could extend it to 15, but I would not vote for the same 10 as you mentioned above

Author Durian
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#99 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 08:28 | Edited by: Durian 
You can delete my proposals, Si Phan Don and Mergui Islands, since I already mentioned that these two sites are not in the same league with Top 50 Miss, but just to raise the concern for their lack of protection. But before we vote, can we ask the nominator to explain what are OUV of the sites they bring up? Many sites are less well known so before I decide I want to know some indept information not just wikipedia. This may make more fairness to certain site, and delete the site that don't have reasonable OUV .

Author meltwaterfalls
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#100 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 08:36 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
elsslots:
but I would not vote for the same 10 as you mentioned above

That is fair enough, at least everyone knows my top 10 now :)

Just wondering if those that may be added soon are worthy of some thought.
I was tempted to not vote for them, purely as they would be wasted votes, but perhaps others have different ideas. Maybe it is a way of showing success that our selections are actually going to be viable WHS?

Author winterkjm
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#101 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 10:19 | Edited by: winterkjm 
That's the point of rounds of voting. Round 1 Top 10. Most people will vote for the almost universal agreed sites. Round 2, another top 10 of remaining sites that have near universal agreement. By Round 3,4,5 I feel we will have some differentiation, but some basic agreed sites.

Round 1 - 10 Selections

Round 2 - 10 Selections

Round 3 - 10 Selections

Round 4 - 10 Selections

Round 5 - 10 Selections

*If we feel we need to extend the list past 50, we can discuss it.

This voting suggestion had several members (Khuft, Clyde, Winterkjm) who liked this format. Everyone gets plenty of votes (equally) and members can vote for the most deserving in the first couple rounds, which promotes general consensus. And in the later rounds, members can vote for that deserving site that not everyone may know or agree about. Thoughts?

It would not be that difficult each round to remove 10 sites that were selected for the voting to continue. Exp. Round 1 - 113 sites to vote for, Round 2 - 103 sites to vote for, Round 3 - 93 sites to vote for, etc. I think this is a good way to maintain list integrity while giving everyone a great deal of equal participation in the voting process. This also would ensure no wasted votes. Each round would last about a week to make sure everyone got a chance.

Certainly open to suggestions for voting, but it is difficult to come up with a voting framework that meets: 1) Equal voting, every vote is worth the same 2) Equal & significant participation, every participant will have 50 total votes 3) No wasted votes, if some of your votes fail, try again in a later round 4) Appropriate Length, 5 rounds (a week each) provides ample time for participation

I think that the process can result in a list everyone is happy with, because participants will have plenty of voting opportunities to be heard. And if a certain candidate site fails to reach the appropriate number of votes in any of the 5 rounds, it probably is by consensus that it is not Top 50 Missing.

So far we've had 16 active participants. If all participated in the voting, there would be 160 votes cast for Round 1, with some sites perhaps reaching 16 votes. I think this would suffice for a tally that would sustain a certain level of consensus. Granted in later rounds, 3-5 votes may be enough to include a site on the Top 50 Missing list.

Considering one of the potential areas of concern, a draw. If (2) candidate sites end with the same amount of votes, what is the rule or procedure? Not sure about this, perhaps a tie results in both candidates being not selected for that round. Example, if there were 8 frontrunner sites with the most votes, and 3 other sites with the same amount of votes, then only the first 8 would become Top 50 Missing. The other 3 sites would remain open for voting in the next round. Only an idea for a potential issue.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#102 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 10:48 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
winterkjm:
This voting suggestion had several members who liked this format. Everyone gets plenty of votes (equally) and members can vote for the most deserving in the first couple rounds, which promotes general consensus. And in the later rounds, members can vote for that deserving site that not everyone may know or agree about. Thoughts?

Ah ok, I didn't think that was the consensus but I guess it makes reasonable sense, though it may require a fair few rounds and bring up other issues.
However in true democratic terms it seems to be the least worst approach.

As such I may redact my suggestions above so as not to sway peoples votes.

Author Assif
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#103 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 16:51 | Edited by: Assif 
Monte Verde is in Chile not in Costa Rica.
I would also unite both proposals for Papuan forests. Otherwise the votes won't sum up. You can't truly argue that a vote for the extended version is not for the original version either.

Author winterkjm
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#104 | Posted: 14 Jan 2014 18:23 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Assif:
Monte Verde is in Chile not in Costa Rica.
Assif:
Unite both proposals for Papuan forests
kkanekahn:
I also suggested Ephesus(Turkey)

Couple updates. I don't want to repost yet, until everyone has no more alterations, deletions, additions to the Inventory (voting) list.

Author kkanekahn
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#105 | Posted: 15 Jan 2014 03:22 
winterkjm:
Considering one of the potential areas of concern, a draw. If (2) candidate sites end with the same amount of votes, what is the rule or procedure? Not sure about this, perhaps a tie results in both candidates being not selected for that round. Example, if there were 8 frontrunner sites with the most votes, and 3 other sites with the same amount of votes, then only the first 8 would become Top 50 Missing. The other 3 sites would remain open for voting in the next round.


I support the method. However I would like to include 11 sites rather than 8 if there is a tie.

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