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Author Assif
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#16 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 04:47 
What about the Algerian entries Setif and Sidi-Boumediene?

Author Solivagant
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#17 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 05:08 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Assif:
What about the Algerian entries Setif and Sidi-Boumediene?

If you look here you will see that we have already identified these 2 sites as having previously been "nominated" or having been on a T List (bottom of page) - the aim of the current exercise as I understand it is to identify any additional sites in this category
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/countries/algeria.html

Author Assif
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#18 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 05:13 | Edited by: Assif 
Yemen: Ancienne ville de Baraqish
Yemen: Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'
Yemen: Mosquee d'Al-Ashrafiyya ainsi que ses environs a Taiz
Montenegro: Moraca Monastery
Serbia: all identified
Venezuela: Ruinas de la Ciudad de Nueva Cadiz en la isla de Cubagua
Venezuela: Cuenca del Lago de Valencia (yacimientos palaeontologicos-arqueologicos)
Venezuela: Parque arqueologico de Barinas
Venezuela: Parque Nacional Los Medanos de Coro
Venezuela: Parque Nacional Los Roques
Venezuela: Parque Nacional Guatopo
Venezuela: Monumento Natural Cueva del Guachero
Venezuela: Formacion Parantepui
Uruguay: all identified
Uzbekistan: all identified
Ukraine: all identified

Author Assif
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#19 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 07:04 
Germany: Worms, Imperial Cathedral
Germany: Maria Laach, Abbey Church and Lake
Germany: Standing Stones (Externsteine) near Paderborn; also an
outstanding natural feature
Germany: Brunswick, Lion Monument
Germany: Eberbach
Germany: Gelnhausen, Imperial Palace
Germany: Eltz, Castle
Germany: Lueneburg, Town Hall
Germany: Berlin (Spandau), Citadel
Germany: Weingarten, Benedictine Monastery
Germany: Ottobeuren, Benedictine Monastery
Germany: Weltenburg, Monastery and Danube Valley
Germany: Vierzehnheiligen, Pilgrimage Church and River Main
Valley
Germany: Pommersfelden, Palace
Germany: Nymphenburg, Palace with Gardens
Germany: Ulm, Confederative Fortress (Bundesfestung)
Germany: Augsburg, Maximilianstrasse with the Cathedral, City Hall
and Church of SS. Ulrich and Afra Augsburg, City Hall:
Germany: Munich, Ludwigstrasse and Odeonsplatz with the Residence,
Hall of Generals (Feldherrenhalle) and Theatine Church
Germany: Saarbruecken, Ludwigsplatz
Germany: Rothenburg, Nordlingen, DinkelsbUhl
Germany: Landshut, Old Town with Trausnitz Castle
Germany: Passau, Old Town
Germany: WolfenbUttel, Old Town
Germany: River Main Valley between Banz and Vierzehnheiligen
Germany: Danube Valley around Weltenburg
Germany: Danube Valley around Regensburg, including the Walhalla
and Donaustauf
Germany: Artland, landscape with farmhouses

Author elsslots
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#20 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 07:04 
Solivagant:
Els can later decide if or when she will add the missing sites to the dB using the info from this topic. I have decided to go back and add the date of the T List

Yes I would like to add them, with as many specifics as possible. Have to find a way to give them a new ID however.

Not looking forward to adding all the US ones, but will have to...

Author Assif
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#21 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 07:17 
USA: Moundville Archeological Site
USA: Aleutian Islands - Unit of the Alaska Maritime National Wildlife Refuge (Fur Seal Rookeries)
USA: Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
USA: Cape Krusenstern Archeological District National Monument
USA: Casa Grande National Monument
USA: Hohokam Pima National Monument
USA: Lowell Observatory
USA: Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument
USA: Saguaro National Park
USA: San Xavier Del Bac Mission
USA: Taliesin West
USA: Ventana Cave
USA: Joshua Tree National Park
USA: Point Reyes National Seashore/Farallon Islands National Wildlife Refuge
USA: Sequoia/King Canyon National Parks
USA: Death Valley National Park
USA: Colorado National Monument
USA: Lindenmeier Site
USA: Rocky Mountains National Park
USA: Chapel Hall, Gallaudet College
USA: Washington Monument
USA: Ocmulgee National Monument
USA: Warm Springs Historic District
USA: Auditorium Building, Chicago
USA: Carson Pirie, Scott and Company Store, Chicago
USA: Eads Bridge, Illinois St. Louis, Missouri
USA: Frank Lloyd Wright Home and Studio
USA: Leiter II Building, Chicago
USA: Marquette Building, Chicago
USA: Reliance Building, Chicago
USA: Rookery Building, Chicago
USA: South Dearborn Street Printing House Row North Historic District
USA: New Harmony Historic District
USA: Acadia National Park
USA: Goddard Rocket Launching Site
USA: Wainwright Building, St. Louis
USA: Pecos National Historic Park
USA: Brooklyn Bridge
USA: General Electric Research Laboratories, Schenectady
USA: Prudential (Guaranty) Building, Buffalo
USA: Pupin Physics Laboratory, Columbia University
USA: Original Bell Telephone Laboratories
USA: Crater Lake National Park
USA: Big Bend National Park
USA: Guadalupe Mountains National Park
USA: Arches National Park
USA: Bryce Canyon National Park
USA: Canyonlands National Park
USA: Capitol Reef National Park
USA: Rainbow Bridge National Monument
USA: Zion National Park
USA: McCormick Farm and Workshop
USA: Virginia Coast Reserve
USA: Mount Rainier National Park
USA: North Cascades National Park
USA: Grand Teton National Park

Author Solivagant
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#22 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 07:22 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Oh Dear Assif -you have just "done" Germany and i was, as i said continuing alphabetically!!

I am not trying to "steal your thunder" but I think i have added a bit. It was quite complex as Germany had already submitted (at least!!) 3 T Lists by 1995!! 1980/1, 1984 and 1993. The 1993 T List removed some of the earlier sites, as well as adding some new ones. The next T List was in April 1996 and removed yet more and added some.
So here is my understanding of the sites on the German T List which we haven't previuosly identified together with when they were added and when removed -

Germany Eltz Castle 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Munzenburg Castle 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Walhalla 1980 1984 Subsumed into Danube CL
Germany Externsteine 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Lion of Brunswick 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Marburg 1980 (not 1983) Removed 1993
Germany Julich Fortress 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Spandau Citadel 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Ehrenbreitstein Fortress Koblenz 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Goethe Haus Frankfurt 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Holderlin Tower Tubingen 1993 Removed 1996
Germany St Paul's church Frankfurt 1993 Removed 1996
Germany AEG Factory Berlin 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Weingarten Abbey 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Berlin Philharmonic Concert Hall 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Schlosspark Nymphenburg Munich 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Pfaueninsel Belin 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Gelnhausen 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Munic - Ludwigstrasse, Konigsplatz, Odeonplatz, Feldherrenhalle 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Saarbrucken - Ludwigsplatz 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Augsburg - Cath, Town Hall, Churchs of SS Ulrich and Afra 1984 Removed 1996
Germany Nenning Roman Villa and Mosaic 1993 Removed 1996
Germany Schloss Weissenstein Pommersfelden 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Worms Cathedral 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Maria Laach Abbey and Lake 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Ottobeuren Abbey 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Rothenburg 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Landshut 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Wolfenbuttel 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Main Valley CL Banz - Vierzehnheilgien 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Danube Valley CL around Weltenburg 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Danube Valley CL around Regensburg inc Walhalla 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Artland Landscape Osnabruck 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Luneburg town Hall 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Bayreuth Festspielhaus 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Passau old town 1984 Removed 1993
Germany Ulm - Confederative Fortress 1984 Removed 1993

Author Khuft
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#23 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 08:58 
Solivagant:
Bangla Desh Diangar Pahar Chittagong


Does anyone know what this site refers to? I can't seem to find it on Google... Is it in Chittagong itself?

Author Khuft
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#24 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 09:16 
Solivagant:
Bolivia Village of Copacabana


This seems to be part of "Sacred Titicaca Lake", I believe.

Author Solivagant
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#25 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 09:18 | Edited by: Solivagant 
GREECE
Another complicated country regarding its early T Lists!!
It submitted T Lists in 1985, May 1996, 25 Jun 1999 and 31/1/2003
The 1985 T List was still "in play" at the time of the 1995 "Recap" of all existing T Lists. However it does appear that the new T List of 1996 completely revamped its approach to WH and all of the sites below were missing in that T List.
Another problem is that certain places -e.g Athens and Thessalonika were mentioned several times in the original T List under the period for which they should be inscribed. Where a subsequent inscription has only covered a single period (E.g Byzantium( I have left in the entry for the other periods but have put them together in a single item

Greece Neolithic Acropoleis of Seskvo and Dimini 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Minoan Cemeteries of Armeni, Rethymnon 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Eleusis 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Lindos, Rhodes 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Dodoni 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Corinth, Acrocorinth and Basilica of Lechaion 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Archaic and Classical Thessaloinkia 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Roman and Palaeo Christian Athens 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Catacombs of Milos 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Anavatos - Mediaeval Village, Island of Chios 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Town of Ano Syros 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Bridge and Churches of Arta 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Church of Merbaka (Church of the Koimesis Theotokou?)1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Mykonos 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Hydra 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Neoclassical Athens 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Nauplia 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Hermoupolis (Syros) 1985 Removed May 1996
Greece Monemvasia 1985 Removed May 1996

Author Solivagant
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#26 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 09:24 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Khuft:
Solivagant:
Bangla Desh Diangar Pahar Chittagong
Does anyone know what this site refers to? I can't seem to find it on Google... Is it in Chittagong itself?


"Diangar" was the old original Portuguese settlement at Chittagong.
See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_settlement_in_Chittagong
and
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianga
Interesting about the on-going Portuguese religious and racial connections in Chittagong
It wasn't on my "list" when I visited Chittagong - my main objective was the Shipbreaking yards on the way to the Hill Tribe areas!!

Author elsslots
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#27 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 10:08 
Solivagant:
it doesn't actually seem possible to review any of them as the review logic only allows reviews for Inscribed or current T List sites. It wouldn't seem unreasonalbe to allow reviews for these sites

Should be possible now

Author Khuft
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#28 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 11:18 
Solivagant:

Cyprus 5 domed churches od Ss Barnabus and Hilarion (with Ayia Paraskevi)


These seem to be the same ones as "Agioi Varnavas and Ilarion at Peristerona (Five-domed churches)" as well as "Agia Paraskevi at Geroskipou (Five-domed churches)" on the current TL.

Author Solivagant
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#29 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 11:36 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Khuft:
These seem to be the same ones as "Agioi Varnavas and Ilarion at Peristerona (Five-domed churches)" as well as "Agia Paraskevi at Geroskipou (Five-domed churches)" on the current TL.

Yes -I will remove this one

Khuft:
Solivagant:
Bolivia Village of Copacabana
This seems to be part of "Sacred Titicaca Lake", I believe.

Yes I shall remove this one also!

ELS - there is slight issue here as to what we should do with sites which started off as one thing and morphed into something else across the years.
a. Do we treat them separately and record both/all of them.
b. Do we try to "track" the development. That "c" was once "b" and before that "a". The trouble with this is that the permutations are enormous!
c. Do we just record the latest manifestation and not try to record any earlier versions.

I don't think we can ever be !00% on this - the main thing is of course to accurately record Inscribed sites and current T List ones. It perhaps doesn't really matter (within reason) if we put in a "historical entry" for a site which has become something else.

This issue of Copacabana above provides just one example. The entry for "Sacred Titicaca Lake" has its "first appearance" recorded as "2003 - Added to the Tentative List" when as is now clearer its first appearance was as "Copacabana Village" many years earlier. This of course is in line with the historic trend which is fully demonstrated by this trawl back through old T Lists of moving away from "small" or "monumental" sites to much larger ones encompassing a much wider OUV.

Author elsslots
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#30 | Posted: 1 Feb 2015 11:48 
For the currrent excercise, I would choose:
Solivagant:
a. Do we treat them separately and record both/all of them.


For active TWHS that transform into something else, I use the option "Revision" to track the development.

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