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Author Solivagant
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#181 | Posted: 15 Aug 2017 04:54 | Edited by: Solivagant 
kkanekahn:
We have also missed 2 former tentative list from India.

1) Group of monuments at malda
2) Hazarduari palace

References please?
It is always good to have an audit trail for "information"! Was it one of the Bureau meetings cited by Assif?

Author kkanekahn
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#182 | Posted: 15 Aug 2017 05:36 
Solivagant

I was going through Tentative list of 1995 & these two sites came to my notice.
http://whc.unesco.org/archive/1995/whc-95-conf203-inf7e.pdf

I suppose this first time where consolidated list is provided to public (the annexes are missing for all earlier sessions prior to 1995)

Author jonathanfr
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#183 | Posted: 15 Aug 2017 08:01 
kkanekahn:
http://whc.unesco.org/archive/1995/whc-95-conf203-inf7e.pdf

Referring to this document, it appears that Saint-Denis could be considered as an extension of Reims. Cathedrals being overrepresented on the list, doing so would add value to the site of Reims without adding a Christian good in its own right.

Author Assif
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#184 | Posted: 17 Nov 2017 13:42 
Here is a list of all the former TWHS which were withdrawn right after being referred or deferred (rather than rejected or requested not to be examined) without being pursued further in a different form. The list is surprisingly not that long (40 deferred sites and only one referred site). Many of these sites are from the early days of the world heritage scheme and would stand no chance today, but maybe not all of them.

Deferred:

Ai Khanum (Afghanistan)
Setif (Algeria)
Cerro Colorado (Argentina)
Tonglushan copper mines (China)
Ujarras (Costa Rica)
Santa Rosa Mansion (Costa Rica)
Pula Roman Amphitheatre (Croatia)
Brioni NP (Croatia)
Kourion (Cyprus)
Adulis (Eritrea)
Matara (Eritrea)
Abijatta Shalla Lakes NP (Ethiopia)
Yeha (Ethiopia)
Freiburg Cathedral (Germany)
Heidelberg (Germany)
Schwetzingen (Germany) - recommended Reject
Bia NP (Ghana)
Akrotiri (Greece)
Selinunte (Italy)
Ostia Antica (Italy)
Spanish Town (Jamaica)
Kosrags Livs village (Latvia)
Echternach (Luxemburg)
Lanjak Entimau and Batang Ai NPs (Malaysia)
El Triunfo national reserve (Mexico)
Shey Phoksundo NP (Nepal)
Birni Gazargamu and Gambaru (Nigeria)
Molen (Norway)
Vingen (Norway)
Indus Dolphin Reserve (Pakistan)
Hunza, Gilgit, Chilas rock carvings (Pakistan)
Jasna Gora Monastery (Poland)
Sources of the Great Ob (Russia)
Dinosaur ichnite sites of the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal, Spain)
Cambridge colleges and backs (UK)
Loch Erne ecclestical sites (UK)
Pu'uhonua o'Hunaunau (USA)
Savannah city plan (USA)
Wright Brothers national monument (USA)

Referred:

Lore Lindu NP (Indonesia)

Author Solivagant
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#185 | Posted: 17 Nov 2017 15:05 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Assif:
Many of these sites are from the early days of the world heritage scheme and would stand no chance today, but maybe not all of them.

We visited the Minoan site of Akrotiri on Santorini last month - I keep meaning to get round to doing a review. Its absence from the Greek T List runs alongside the failure of Greece to progress the Minoan sites on Crete itself. It is undoubtedly an archaeological site of major importance.
The reason given for deferring it back in 1989 - namely for Greece to propose the entire island of Santorini on both cultural and natural criteria looks very flawed now, particularly following massive tourism developments on the island in the subsequent years. Perhaps the crater caldera and rim might succeed (Akrotiri is in a different area) but one suspects also that the islanders would not want it, given all the accompanying restrictions on further development which would then follow. Akrotiri on the other hand has received major funds to build a state of the art "bioclimatic protective shelter" to protect it following an unfortunate incident in 2005 when the previous low tech one collapsed killing a tourist, and would surely meet authenticity and management requirements.

There are those who are pushing for it - https://www.facebook.com/pg/Akrotiri.Knossos/about/?ref=page_internal

Author Zoe
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#186 | Posted: 19 Nov 2017 12:33 | Edited by: Zoe 
Assif:
Echternach (Luxemburg)

Wasn't this intangible anyway, or did I miss something? I actually stopped in this town for a sandwich because it's just outside Luxembourg city and had this charm of a small town in the middle of the forest.

Author Assif
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#187 | Posted: 19 Nov 2017 15:46 
Zoe:
Wasn't this intangible anywa

No, as far as I know it was the standard WHS candidate.

Author Solivagant
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#188 | Posted: 19 Nov 2017 16:03 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Zoe:
Wasn't this intangible anyway, or did I miss something?

I suspect that it wasn't entirely coincidental that "La Ville et l'Abbaye d'Echternach" was "finally" (?) removed from Luxembourg's T List in 2011 so soon after the town had succeeded in 2010 in gaining inscription on the Intangible Heritage List for its "Hopping Festival" - https://ich.unesco.org/en/RL/hopping-procession-of-echternach-00392
"Quit while you are ahead"?? It had first "failed" in 1987 and had been retained on Luxembourg's T List in 1993

Author Assif
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#189 | Posted: 20 Nov 2017 15:08 
Solivagant:
Its absence from the Greek T List runs alongside the failure of Greece to progress the Minoan sites on Crete itself. It is undoubtedly an archaeological site of major importance.

Some other sites were similarly recognized as having OUV and were still withdrawn from the T-list. I am thinking of Tonglushan, Cambridge or Savannah for example, maybe also Ai Khanum and Matara.

Author Khuft
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#190 | Posted: 20 Nov 2017 15:25 
Solivagant:
"Quit while you are ahead"?? It had first "failed" in 1987 and had been retained on Luxembourg's T List in 1993

Echternach would have had a tough time getting into the WHL - just like Vianden castle (which received a rare "No" recommendation from ICOMOS and went on to get a "not inscribe" from the Committee), Echternach abbey is heavily restaured and would likely have missed the authenticity criteria. Not to mention the fact that the WHL is already pullulating with European abbeys...

Author Solivagant
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#191 | Posted: 20 Nov 2017 16:03 
Khuft:
Echternach would have had a tough time getting into the WHL

Exactly! And getting the Intangible inscription gave them the chance to admit/accept it.

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