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Author Jakob
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#166 | Posted: 8 Mar 2017 03:51 
During my search for Italien former TWHS, I found a few more nominations. Or nominations, that may be redundant?
Can you tell me, which ones might have been forgotten, or whether they are included in a different nomination?
Casina Vanvitelliana-1984
Cortona - Piero della Francesca -1984
Piazza Armerina on Sicily??
Turin city, (only the Savoyen residencies are part now)

Archeological Site of Segesta
Sacra di San Michele- is part of 2016 nomination Cultural Landscape of Benedectine...
Bologna (only the Porticos are included now?)
Rock cities of Puglia -1996
Portus Romae
Monte Sant'Angelo and the Via Sacra Langobardorum

Spoleto and Tempietto sul Clitunno are both Langobard sites, why are they listed as a seperate nomination?

I do not have the exact sources anymore, but i worked myself through the old Tentative lists of every country, so they should be official TWHS sites?

Author Assif
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#167 | Posted: 8 Mar 2017 07:06 
Hi Jakub, let's go through your entries once again:

Italy:

Casina Vanvitelliana (1984): It isn't on the list. There is the Vanvitellian Aqueduct which is a part of the Caserta WHS.

Cortona - Piero della Franchesca (1984): We have it.
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/twhs.php?id=9728

Piazza Armerina : This is WHS Villa del Causale. It is included in the T-list as an example of restoration.

Turin: Only "il dimore sabaude" is meant, which is the Savoy monuments. Probably identical with the inscribed monuments within Turin, although the later Savoy WHS includes sites outside Turin as well.

Segesta: We already have this one.
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/twhs.php?id=9213

Sacra di San Michele: Needs an update.

Bologna: The porticoes are all over the historic centre, therefore we assumed that the same area was meant.

Rock cities of Puglia: I could only find some erased lines in the 1996 TWHS document relating to Puglia and including Altamura (now a separate TWHS). I guess this could be it, but would you have a source?

Portus Romae: Identical with former TWHS Ostia.

Monte Sant'Angelo and Via Sacra Langobardorum: Included in the Longobards WHS.

Spoleto and Tempietto sul Clitunno: In both cases (as well as Cividale di Friuli) the entire historical centre was meant to be nominated. Eventually only the Longobard components have been nominated.

I found another one we missed:

Santuario rupestre di Olevano sul Tusciano (1996)

Spain:

Dolmen de Valencia de Alcantara (2012): I have no access to the 2012 T-list. Could you provide a source?

Cathedral de la Merced, Huelva (1985): I couldn't find it in the 1995 document. Could you provide a source?

Gaudi extension (2005): Needs to be updated.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#168 | Posted: 8 Mar 2017 10:32 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
Assif:
Casina Vanvitelliana (1984): It isn't on the list. There is the Vanvitellian Aqueduct which is a part of the Caserta WHS.

Seems to be a completely separate thing, the Casina Vanvitelliana is some sort of lodge in the middle of a lake.

Assif:
Piazza Armerina : This is WHS Villa del Causale. It is included in the T-list as an example of restoration.

Was the town was viewed as an extension of the Roman Villa 3km away? Seems odd to me or have I misunderstood that.
Assif:
Cortona - Piero della Franchesca (1984): We have it. Giotto e il Beato Angelico - Assisi e Cortona

Interesting I guess Italy first viewed the world heritage list as a repository for art as well, before there was clarification on movable sites. But that proposal seems to only be for the works of Giotto and Fra Angelico, but the proposal Jakob unearthed is for the works of Piero della Francesca, so perhaps it is related to this one (Piero della Francesca - Siena, Firenze, Borgo San Sepolcro) instead.

Author Assif
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#169 | Posted: 8 Mar 2017 14:21 | Edited by: Assif 
Re: Casina Vanvitelliana
I am not saying it is a part of Caserta. It's just not on the list. I think Jakob mistook it for the Vanvitellian Aqueduct, which is a part of Caserta.

Re: Piazza Armerina

No, the town is definitely not included. Just the Roman Villa del Causale which belongs to Piazza Armerina.

Re: Pierro della Francesca
The Italian TWHS listing is very ambiguous. Translated it goes:
Giotto and Fra Angelico - Assisi and Cortona - Della Francesca, Siena - Florence - Borgo San Sepolcro
The ways I understand it it includes two separate nominations: One for Giotto and Fra Angelico (Assisi and Cortona) and one for Della Francesca (Florence, Siena and San Sepolcro). Since Cortona includes works by both Della Francesca and Fra Angelico, it is impossible to do better than take a guess.

Author Assif
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#170 | Posted: 12 Mar 2017 11:09 
Re: Dolmen of Valencia de Alcantara (2012): I couldn't find it on the T lists from 2012 and 2013,

Author Assif
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#171 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 10:22 | Edited by: Assif 
Several sites we have missed:

Haleakala NP (USA) 1983
Wright Brothers National Monument (USA) 1981
Turin historic centre (Italy) 1982 - partly nominated as Savoy residences
Fort de Bard (Italy) 1982
Castelseprio (Italy) 1982
Brera, Milan (Italy) 1982
Railway station Santa Maria Novella, Florence (Italy) 1982
Uccellina NP (Italy) 1982
Montecristo Island and its marine environment (Italy) 1982
Ascoli Piceno (Italy) 1982
Piazza maggiore, Todi (Italy) 1982
Sepino (Italy) 1982
Alba Fucens (Italy) 1982
Gran Sasso and la Maiella (Italy) 1982
Bari (Italy) 1982, the cathedral is included in the TWHS Romanesque cathedrals of Puglia
Grotte di Castellana (Italy) 1982
Massafra (Italy) 1982
Itria valley (Italy) 1982
Gargano Peninsula (Italy) 1982
Monts Pollini (Italy) 1982
Metaponte (Italy) 1982
Pisticci (Italy) 1982
Locri (Italy) 1982
Maretima island (Italy) 1982
Gennargentu NP (Italy) 1982
Ponds of Cagliari (Italy) 1982
Pond of Cabras (Italy) 1982
Terracina (Italy) 1984
Otranto (Italy) 1984 - reduced from Garganto Peninsula (1982)
Maschio Angionino, Naples (Italy) 1984
Santa Maria delle Carceri, Prato (Italy) 1984
Faenza cathedral (Italy) 1984
Ampurias (Spain) 1984
Jaca cathedral (Spain) 1984
Santa Maria de Eunate (Spain) 1984
Las Huelgas (Spain) 1984
Palacio de la Granja (Spain) 1984
Conques (France) 1984
Aigues Mortes (France) 1984
Saint-Benoit sur Loire (France) 1984
Les Invalides, Paris (France) 1984
Besancon (France) 1984
Byzantine Naxos (Greece) 1984
Antakya (Turkey) 1984
Nerezy Monastery (Macedonia) 1986
Pelister NP (Macedonia)
Biograd Mountain (Montenegro) 1986
Sati (Burkina Faso) 1987
Niangouri (Burkina Faso) 1987
Bamileke habitat (Camroon) 1987
Foumban Palace (Camroon) 1987
Mont Cameroun and the colonial city of Buea (Camroon) 1987
Historic site of N'Dele of Sultan Senoussi (CAR) 1987
Diosso Groge and associated habitats (Congo R) 1987
Ma-Loango Royal Palace (Congo R) 1987
Bittori (Congo R) 1987
Lounzolo church (Congo R) 1987
St. Anne du Congo Basilica (Congo R) 1987
Tiagba village (Cote d'Ivoire) 1987
Koni (Cote d'Ivoire) 1987
Soukala Lobi (Cote d'Ivoire) 1987
Moundang traditional houses (Chad) 1987
Sao (Chad) 1987
Notse Wall (Togo) 1987
Bandjeli and Nagbani (Togo) 1987
Royal village of Bakuba (Congo DR) 1987
Manbetu court (Congo DR) 1987
Mbanga-Ngungu Caves (Congo DR) 1987
Bunzi Sanctuary (Congo DR) 1987
Sale with the Muslim necropolis of Chellah (Morocco) 1987

Author Assif
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#172 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 10:24 
Additionally' Saudi Arabia submitted a 7 pages list of cultural sites back in 1988. I guess these were tentative sites, the longest we have seen.
http://whc.unesco.org/archive/1988/sc-88-conf007-3e.pdf

Author elsslots
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#173 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 12:51 
Assif:
Additionally' Saudi Arabia submitted a 7 pages list of cultural sites back in 1988. I guess these were tentative sites, the longest we have seen.
http://whc.unesco.org/archive/1988/sc-88-conf007-3e.pdf

LOL. I am not going to add those...

Author Solivagant
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#174 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 13:05 
Assif:
Several sites we have missed:

Great!!
It is good that you have gone through the documents you have found and listed the additional T List sites but it would also be helpful for future reference to have links to the documents in which all these sites (excluding Saudi!) were listed. Back in Jan 15 a list of documents presented at WHCs listing T List sites added for each year was collected here -
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=94#msg 10066
That contained links to the documents for e.g 1987 - which did NOT include e.g Togo. Now it appears that there must have been an other document for 1987 containing T List additions for Togo etc. The same appears to be true for other years between 1981-7.

I notice by the way that "Tata Tamberma (Togo) 1987" is actually what became Koutoumakkou.- so the "History" of that site should be changed to show its original T List appearance under the different name

Author Assif
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#175 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 13:12 

Author Solivagant
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#176 | Posted: 13 Aug 2017 13:42 
Assif:
Solivagant:
it would also be helpful for future reference to have links to the documents in which all these sites

So these documents all come from BUREAU papers for each of the years - whereas the links we had previuosly used pointed at WHC papers.

Some of the ones we have missed were in both -e.g the Yugoslavia list for 1986 presented to the WHC does contain e.g Pelister NP
BUT
the list presented to the BUREAU in 1987 was different from that presented to the WHC later that year -the latter doesn't contain proposals by a range of West African states INCLUDING B Faso , Cameroon, Gabon Togo etc etc - which explains why we had missed all their T Lists!!! From what I can make out it appears that the WHC papers are incomplete - they stop at a page headed "Atelier UNESCO-ICOMOS" held in Bamako on 26th -30th Jan 1987. This meeting presumably put together the various T Lists - the only problem was that someone failed to photocopy them for the WHC or else failed to put them on the UNESCO Web site as PDFs!!!

I haven't yet followed up how the T List entries for other years got missed - but it does seem that we should take the BUREAU papers as being correct - whatever those for the WHC say!

Author jonathanfr
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#177 | Posted: 14 Aug 2017 11:27 
Assif:
Conques (France) 1984Aigues Mortes (France) 1984Saint-Benoit sur Loire (France) 1984Les Invalides, Paris (France) 1984Besancon (France) 1984

Only Aigues Mortes should appear in the "Former Tentative Sites" part of the link http://www.worldheritagesite.org/country/France
The other elements having been registered in some way or another.

Author Assif
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#178 | Posted: 14 Aug 2017 13:38 
jonathanfr:
The other elements having been registered in some way or another.

Thanks jonthanfr. Could you be more specific please?

Author jonathanfr
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#179 | Posted: 14 Aug 2017 15:41 
Assif:
Could you be more specific please?

Conques (France) 1984 : Routes of Santiago de Compostela in France
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/868/multiple=1&unique_number=1019

Saint-Benoit sur Loire (France) 1984 : The Loire Valley between Sully-sur-Loire and Chalonnes
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/933/multiple=1&unique_number=2250

Les Invalides, Paris (France) 1984 : Paris, Banks of the Seine
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/600/multiple=1&unique_number=710

Besancon (France) 1984 : Fortifications of Vauban
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1283/multiple=1&unique_number=1514

Author kkanekahn
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#180 | Posted: 15 Aug 2017 03:21 
Assif
We have also missed 2 former tentative list from India.

1) Group of monuments at malda
2) Hazarduari palace

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