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Author meltwaterfalls
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#16 | Posted: 15 Feb 2017 13:35 
Here are two files with my working data on them (NB they will disappear on 22nd February)

T-list mwf Old Map - This is the raw data from the "old" map that used to be linked to at the top of the website, that we have been checking against so far. It doesn't have the relevant T-List codes or anything useful on it for cross referencing or VLOOKUP etc.
tlist full (June 2015) - This was my attempt to create a fuller version with data scraped off of the official website and a fair chunk of co-ordinates. As the name suggests it is how the t-list looked in June 2015.

If people think that full list option is a good idea, I will try and set off a scrapper to get a fully up-to date t-list file.

Author elsslots
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#17 | Posted: 15 Feb 2017 13:49 
Thanks.

I note that over 50% of the sites have no location on the Unesco website, and no multiple locations were captured. I don't know how much work it is to get a fully updated file for 2017? It could at least provide a starting point from where we can add and change.

Author hubert
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#18 | Posted: 15 Feb 2017 16:25 | Edited by: hubert 
Great project, I would take Austria and France, because I've a lot of the coordinates of the French T list already in my files. But I will wait until Els provide instructions how to post the coordinates here in the forum.

Solivagant did a great job for the first countries. I tried to find coordinates for the Algerian sites he did not found and would suggest a few corrections for the Mausolée TWHS. Here my suggestions with the sources:

Mausolées Royaux de Numidie
La Soumaa d'El Khroub 36.272122, 6.725415 (coordinates from the Google Earth file by meltwaterfalls, which fit better in my opinion)
Le Mausolée de Beni Rhénane (Siga) 35.262989, -1.430888 https://encyclopedieberbere.revues.org/1684
Les Djeddars 35.113679, 1.212593 (coordinates from the Google Earth file by meltwaterfalls, which fit better in my opinion)
Le Tombeau de Tin Hinan (Abalessa) 22.885572, 4.868213

Parc des Aurès, Gorges du Rhoufi et d'El Kantara
Ichoukkane 35.3447, 6.569511 https://pleiades.stoa.org/places/334561 and http://imperium.ahlfeldt.se/places/32493.html
Menaa 35.182508, 6.006775 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaa
Vallée de l'oued Abdi et la Guelaa d'Iguelfène 35.120009, 5.938076 (from the description in the French Wikipedia entry for Menaa)
Vallée de l'oued El Abiod 35.049550, 6.162645 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiod_Valley

The two websites for Ichoukkane – Pleiades and Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire - may be useful to identify ancient sites, in particular Roman Empire.

Author elsslots
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#19 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 00:44 
OK, thanks for all the enthusiasm.

Solivagant and I have been experimenting a bit with uploading from an Excel-sheet, and this seems to work fine. The idea is (especially for the countries with large tentative lists) that I send 'the owner of a country' an Excel spreadsheet with the corresponding basic data (think of names of the tentative sites, id's, country id's etc), and that you complete it with providing the location coordinates and the multiple locations.

I don't mind smaller countries being posted on the forum, but anything above 10 TWHS or so is much easier for me to handle via Excel.

The plan of action for now:
1. meltwaterfalls checks whether he can repeat his scraping trick for the 2017 situation within a few days
2. nfmungard will redo the country map so the twhs locations will be visible too (and we have to change the twhs.php too, maybe I can do that)
3. I will initially fill the database with the data gathered by meltwaterfalls
4. From then on we can go on optimizing country by country. Volunteers that have claimed countries to do: Germany (nfmungard), France (Hubert), Austria (Hubert), Iran (Solivagant), UK (Solivagant). For countries with large T-lists I'll provide a spreadsheet to the one who has claimed it, smaller ones can just be posted at the forum in one go.

Author Jakob
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#20 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 02:41 
elsslots
Okay, I would claim Spain, since I am anyway just trying to figger out where the different tentative sites are for travelling.
Somebody else already claimed Poland, right? Otherwise I would take these two!
Can you send me the spreadsheet than? But it might take a while, till I find all of the data.

Author elsslots
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#21 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 02:53 
Jakob:
Okay, I would claim Spain, since I am anyway just trying to figger out where the different tentative sites are for travelling.Somebody else already claimed Poland, right? Otherwise I would take these two!Can you send me the spreadsheet than? But it might take a while, till I find all of the data.

sure, OK
wait a bit until I send you the spreadsheet

Author Solivagant
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#22 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 05:14 | Edited by: Solivagant 
hubert:
and would suggest a few corrections for the Mausolée TWHS

Thanks Hubert - I accept all your suggestions.
The thing which is worrying me is how the coordinates I proposed "got there"! There was certainly no reason for me to choose them as I normally use Google Earth to ensure that I can "see" the remains and there was nothing present at my coords- A lesson I guess to double check all co-ords before submitting them.

Author nfmungard
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#23 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 08:20 
Germany done. Data provided below.

Remarks:
* I only provided Haithabu once.
* A few locations don't have a unique name / share the coordinates.
* I did not look up the coordinates for non German parts of a serial nomination.
* It somehow felt that more coordinates mean lesser quality of the overall sites.

Els: I can format as needed or give you the SQL directly.

ALPINE AND PRE-ALPINE MEADOW AND MARSH LANDSCAPES
Mountain meadows and humpy meadows in the Region of Werdenfelser Land,47.473577,11.192814
Loisach valley wetlands,47.473043,11.12020
Murnauer Moos and wetlands west of Staffelsee-Lake,47.603132,10.983428
Mountain meadows and wetland meadows of the Ammer Valley,47.566814,11.003002

CAVES WITH THE OLDEST ICE AGE ART
Ach Valley,48.38766,9.7656
Geißenklösterle,48.39805,9.77128
Sirgensteinhöhle,48.38701,9.76108
Hohle Fels,48.37909,9.75399
Lone Valley,48.55489,10.17545
Vogelherdhöhle;48.55853,10.19434
Hohlenstein Stadel-Höhle;48.54927,10.17242
Bocksteinhöhle /-törle;48.55402,10.15468

Darmstadt Artists' Colony Mathildenhöhe
49.8767856,8.6626715

Dreams in Stone - the palaces of King Ludwig II of Bavaria: Neuschwanstein, Linderhof and Herrenchiemsee
47.8604737,12.3998932
47.557574,10.7476117
47.5716123,10.9586355

FRANCKE FOUNDATION BUILDINGS
FRANCKE FOUNDATION BUILDINGS,51.4780799,11.9687577

Frontiers of the Roman Empire
Thermal baths,48.8259,11.7812
Watch tower and sanctuary,48.87,11.7881
Fortlet,49.0174,12.0369
Auxiliary fort,49.0079,12.084
Legionary fortress,49.0169,12.1011
Fortlet,48.9731,12.4138
Fort and late Roman fortlet,48.8868,12.5916
Fort,48.6661,13.0834
Fort,48.5708,13.4773
Fortlet BOIOTRO,48.57,13.4622
Fortlet,48.5747,13.4971

Great Spas of Europe
Baden-Baden,48.753394,8.2123004
Bad Kissingen,50.1936666,10.069836
Bad Ems,49.5789249,6.6243196
Bad Homburg vor der Höhe,50.1962359,8.5774657
Wiesbaden,50.0821595,8.2465744
Bad Pyrmont,51.8907182,9.1870494

Hedeby and Danevirke, an archaeological border landscape
Crooked Wall Area 4,54.3230969,9.1168695
Crooked Wall Areas 3 to 4,54.466392,9.3855891
"Crooked Wall Areas 1 to 2,Main Wall Areas 4 to 5",54.4633364,9.4530891
Main Wall Areas 2 to 3,54.4791244,9.4717704
Main Wall Area 1,54.4886142,9.501978
"Connection Wall Area 9, North Wall Area 4, Arched Wall",54.4900192,9.4922945
North Wall Areas 1 to 2,54.5005587,9.5222557
Arched Wall,54.4958364,9.5178113
Connection Wall Area 8,54.4947253,9.5167002
Connection Wall Areas 5 to 7,54.4933364,9.534478
Connection Wall Area 3,54.4922253,9.5517002
Hedeby,54.4911142,9.5642002
Kovirke Area 1,54.4638365,9.4737117
Kovirke Area 2,54.4655587,9.4839224
Kovirke Areas 3 to 5,54.4697253,9.5155891
Kovirke Area 6,54.475000, 9.560833
Kovirke Area 7,54.4758364,9.5650335
Kovirke Area 8,54.4766698,9.5703113
Offshore Work,54.5126663,9.5996328
East Wall Area 1A to 1C,54.4825031,9.7458669
East Wall Area 2D,54.4777809,9.771978
East Wall Area 2E to 2F,54.4780587,9.7817002

HYDRAULIC ENGINEERING AND HYDROPOWER, DRINKING WATER AND DECORATIVE FOUNTAINS IN AUGSBURG
Augsburg,48.370000,10.900000

LUTHER MEMORIALS IN SAXONY-ANHALT, SAXONY, BAVARIA AND THURINGIA
Church of St. Peter and St. Paul,51.5261595,11.5494559
St. Anne's Church,51.5287233,11.5349613
St. Andrew's Church,51.528568,11.5441844
Home of the Luther family (Luther's parents' house),51.5939944,11.4514989
St. George's Church,51.5933045,11.4507038
Castle,51.86595,12.63766
Collegium Augusteum,51.8639903,12.6502473
Bugenhagen's house,51.86687,12.64559
Cranach houses,51.86622,12.64245
Cranach houses,51.86606,12.64357
Hartenfels castle and castle church,51.5590332,13.0083963
Fortress (Veste),50.2654787,10.9761532

MINING CULTURAL LANDSCAPE ERZGEBIRGE/KRUŠNOHOØÍ
Historical Mining District Altenberg,50.7635656,13.752544
Historical Mining District Freiberg,50.9200034,13.3400389
Historical Mining District Marienberg,50.650818,13.1581419
Historical Mining District Annaberg,50.5794478,13.0008723
Historical Mining District Schneeberg,50.5794478,13.0008723
Historical Mining District Schwarzenberg,50.5372256,12.7850389
Uranium Mining,50.8091701,12.8400389
Coal Mining,50.7247256,12.7272611

OLD SYNAGOGUE AND MIKVEH IN ERFURT - TESTIMONIES OF EVERYDAY LIFE, RELIGION AND TOWN HISTORY BETWEEN CHANGE AND CONTINUITY
Alte Synagoge Erfurt,50.9786969,11.0270173

RESIDENCE ENSEMBLE SCHWERIN - CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF ROMANTIC HISTORICISM
Schloss Schwerin,53.6247077,11.4160591

SHUM CITIES OF SPEYER, WORMS AND MAINZ
Speyer - Judenhof,49.31621,8.43952
Speyer - Synagoge,49.3221,8.43188
Worms - Synagogengarten,49.63363,8.36629
Worms - Friedhof Heiliger Sand,49.62958,8.3555
Mainz, Jüdischer Friedhof,50.0053,8.25011

THE BAUHAUS AND ASSOCIATED SITES IN WEIMAR, DESSAU AND BERNAU
Laubenganghäuser - Dessau,51.80299,12.24348
ADGB school in Bernau,52.70637,13.54378

The Naumburg Cathedral and the landscape of the rivers Saale and Unstrut an important dominion in the High Middle Ages
Naumburger Dom,51.1547619,11.8018159

THE JEWISH CEMETERY OF ALTONA KÖNIGSTRASSE. SEPHARDIC SEPULCHRAL CULTURE OF THE 17TH AND 18TH CENTURY BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE CARIBBEAN
Jüdischer Friedhof Altona,53.5495232,9.9482067

Author meltwaterfalls
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#24 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 11:17 
Right here you go.
Here is the full T-list as of today 16/02/2017

There are two documents there:
All T-List sites - Just a simple list of all the tentative list sites (1,645) with their reference no., site name, country, date of addition and hyperlinks
Tlist full (Feb 2017) - This is an update of the file I shared yesterday which has more info: Description, criteria, Region, Co-ordinates where available. There will be some sites on there that don't currently have co-ordinates that we do actually have them available for either on my T-list mwf Old Map file above (many will have transferred over to it but it may not have been a 100% pick up) or from the work that has already started here.

Alas I won't have anytime to look into these further for the next week, so if anyone wants to do more with them then feel free to jump on in.

Author elsslots
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#25 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 11:43 
meltwaterfalls:
Right here you go.Here is the full T-list as of today 16/02/2017

Thanks a lot meltwaterfalls. I'll pick this one up and transform it into the format of my database table. That way we will have 30-35% of the locations pre-filled.

This is step 3 of the action plan described above. nfmungard will work on the actual maps tonight
elsslots:
The plan of action for now:1. meltwaterfalls checks whether he can repeat his scraping trick for the 2017 situation within a few days2. nfmungard will redo the country map so the twhs locations will be visible too (and we have to change the twhs.php too, maybe I can do that)3. I will initially fill the database with the data gathered by meltwaterfalls4. From then on we can go on optimizing country by country. Volunteers that have claimed countries to do: Germany (nfmungard), France (Hubert), Austria (Hubert), Iran (Solivagant), UK (Solivagant). For countries with large T-lists I'll provide a spreadsheet to the one who has claimed it, smaller ones can just be posted at the forum in one go.


Author Solivagant
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#26 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 12:42 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
That way we will have 30-35% of the locations pre-filled.

Am i correct in thinking that we will have c30 - 35% of T list SITES filled and that sites with multiple LOCATIONS will, at best, only have 1 pair of coordinates?
If that is the case then the task we have is both to try to complete missing coordinates at the site level but also to identify multi location sites whether or not they have a single set of coordinates identified by MW and then discover coordinates for each location?
A q to Meltwaterfalls - if i look at Mousa etc for UK you have identified a single pair of coordinates for a site with 3 locations. I presume we cannot "know" which of the 3 locations they apply to?

Author elsslots
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#27 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 12:59 
Solivagant:
Am i correct in thinking that we will have c30 - 35% of T list SITES filled and that sites with multiple LOCATIONS will, at best, only have 1 pair of coordinates?

Yes

Author Solivagant
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#28 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 13:17 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Does anyone know a good site for converting degrees, minutes and seconds into decimal degrees. The only ones i have found require that each element be input separately - it would nice to be able to input a single lat/long as e.g N43 21 55.00 W5 50 45.60 and get it converted! And better stil to be able to convert the lat and long separately to provide Els's format!

Author elsslots
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#29 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 13:30 
Solivagant:
Does anyone know a good site for converting de

I generally use Google Maps, it provides the easy copyable conversion in the main blue block to the left

Author nfmungard
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#30 | Posted: 16 Feb 2017 15:52 
I updated the country site and it's with Els for review now. But I will be travelling tomorrow and can't tinker as much as I would like to. So I have proposed to Els to put the "new" version in her test folder for the time being. So you can see it, but it's not yet officially shown on the site.

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