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Author hubert
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#46 | Posted: 24 Sep 2013 13:09 
Durian:

From the news, seem that the rumor was just politician's words that has no support from government agency!

There seems to be a heated debate in Malaysia between government, the National Heritage department and ecologists whether the Batu Caves are worth to be a WHS:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/07/22/Palanivel-List-Batu-Caves-as-heritag e-site-Annual-Thaipusam-festival-and-monolithic-limestones-meet.aspx
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/09/05/Group-proposes-EIA-for-Batu-Caves.as px

Two other Asian sites seem to be ready to submit the nominations files in January 2014: Singapore and Delhi

The Singapore Botanic Gardens ask the public for their views and comments on the nomination. They posted a draft version of the nomination dossier:

http://www.sbg.org.sg/unesco/

There is a nice website of the Delhi nomination with maps of the two nominated areas:

http://www.delhiheritagecity.org/

Author Solivagant
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#47 | Posted: 24 Sep 2013 15:51 | Edited by: Solivagant 
hubert:
There is a nice website of the Delhi nomination with maps of the two nominated areas:


A nice Web site certainly - but the Nomination??
I note that the original T List description covered 4 of Delhi's historic cities
a. Nizamuddin
b. Mehrauli
c. Shahjahanabad
d. New Delihi

An incredibly complex set of sites - even if a single coherent OUV case could have been made out to cover them all.
Of these a and b have bitten the dust in the Nominated areas as per this Web site. But even a single nomination covering BOTH Shahjahanbad (i.e "Old Delhi") and Lutyens' "New Delhi" seems unmanageable in the context of 21st C India.
I presume they would be linked using the sort of argument which Mexico used to use when linking together a pre-Columbian and a colonial site in the same nomination - continuity and fusion etc.
But for those who know Chandni Chowk etc - what are the chances that India can demonstrate authenticity, integrity, protection, preservation and management across this chaotic area? The map also surprisingly seems to show the Kashmir Gate as being outside the boundary - although it is highlighted as a "Heritage Building". And the early 20C railway station is included! A large part of the site of course is already inscribed in the form of the Delhi Fort.

Could India not bring itself to nominate only the colonial Lutyens planned city? That would have been a big ask but would appear to be more manageable

Author Durian
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#48 | Posted: 24 Sep 2013 21:12 
Solivagant:
There is a nice website of the Delhi nomination with maps of the two nominated areas:


I hope that many monuments in old Dehli become a WHS but not the whole city! How those chaotic unplanned modern concrete buildings along Chandi Chowk and many small roads in that area be protected? I would love to see the nomination as an extension of Red Fort to include many Mughal monuments like Jama Masjid and Fatehpuri Masjid and maybe Jantar Mantar in New Delhi too. Also I understand the whole old Delhi is already a buffer zone when Red Fort inscribed, so there should be no problem on management plan paper?!

Author winterkjm
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#49 | Posted: 4 Oct 2013 04:48 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Possible nominations for 2015:

• Pampulha (Brazil)
• Tusi Chieftain sites (China)
• Ore Mountains (Czech Rep. and Germany) or Naumburg (Germany)
• Burgundy (France)
• Champagne (France)
• Hamburg (Germany)
• Delhi (India)
• Khangchendzonga NP (India)
• Merangin Geopark (Indonesia)
• Susa (Iran)
• Ivrea (Italy)
• Port Royal (Jamaica)
• Sites of Japan's Meiji Industrial Revolution (Japan)
• Plains of Jars (Laos)
• Danum Valley, Maliau Basin and Imbak Canyon (Malaysia)
• Svalbard (Norway)
• Singapore Botanic Gardens (Singapore)
• Baekje Kingdom Complex (South Korea)
• Campo de Montiel (Spain)
• Krang Krachang Forest (Thailand)
• Wat Phra Mahathat Woramahawihan, Nakhon Si Thammarat (Thailand)
• Forth Railbridge (UK)
• Fray Bentos (Uruguay)
• San Antonio Missions (USA)
• Viking Sites (Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Latvia)

Author Durian
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#50 | Posted: 4 Oct 2013 11:06 
Latest news on Indian nomination for Delhi, Ahmedabad and Victorian Mumbai
http://m.indianexpress.com/news/oval-maidan-precinct-in-running-for-world-heritage-si te-tag/1177522/

Author winterkjm
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#51 | Posted: 24 Oct 2013 18:46 
The Citadel and the Walls of Diyarbakir (Turkey)

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=121409

Author Assif
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#52 | Posted: 25 Oct 2013 07:53 
winterkjm:
The Citadel and the Walls of Diyarbakir (Turkey)


Could this be one of Erdogan's attempts to appease the rebellious Kurdish minority? Diyarbakir is considered their capital, not only for the Kurds living in Turkey but also for those residing in the neighbouring countries.

Author Solivagant
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#53 | Posted: 25 Oct 2013 09:40 | Edited by: Solivagant 
It is inconceivable that it could be happening except as part of Erdogan's Kurdish policy.

In this article the mayor of Diyarbakir says "We have been working for seven years now to put Diyarbakir on the UNESCO World Heritage list.".
http://www.basnews.net/en/News/Details/Osman-Beydemir--Diyarbakir-will-be-connected-t o-cities-in-all-four-parts-of-Kurd/1910
This is a man who has faced "persecution" from the Turkish state and has been given Amnesty International support. Any nomination (let alone inscription) of Diyarbakir would inevitably have "political" implications and repercussions way beyond that of just another Middle Eastern walled city!! Whether it could be managed as a joint triumph for Turkey and its "Kurdish" peoples (who are not even recognised as such officially by Turkey but instead are categorised as "Eastern Turks" whose language is still not officially usable) will be a judgement which the Central Government will no doubt be making.

I found this article of Mar 2013 summarising Erdogan's policy and its relation to what is happening in Iraq and Syria of interest
http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/kurdish-new-years-resolutions/

Whilst this one describes the more unsavoury aspects of past and present (and also mentions the efforts to gain UNESCO inscription - emphasising again that such an action can't be viewed as "politically neutral")
http://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/turkey-diyarbakir-istanbul-kurds-racism-culture-a ssimilation-military-rebellion-fighting-prison-language-bans-song-education-universit y-protests-differences-nationalism-distrust-distortion

I guess if progress towards a peaceful resolution of ancient conflicts can be made via such actions as inscribing Diyarbakir then all well and good!
I was in Diyarbakir as long ago as 1965 and remember its walls and streets but can't say I particularly picked up on the Kurdish dimension in those far off days (i was getting round with but a few words of Turkish and met very few English speakers in Anatolia) . Such disputes were still sublimated by the more existential Cold War in those days and as I remember it Diyarbakir had a US nuclear air base nearby (Pirinηlik) which seemed of greater significance then

Author Durian
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#54 | Posted: 8 Dec 2013 08:19 

Author Durian
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#55 | Posted: 8 Dec 2013 08:32 
An insight article about Japanese selection for 2014-2015 sites.

http://mainichi.jp/english/english/perspectives/news/20131208p2a00m0na001000c.html

Author winterkjm
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#56 | Posted: 8 Dec 2013 13:39 | Edited by: winterkjm 
I think Japan deserves a modern Industrial WH inscription. However, this article spells trouble. Infighting and politics. Undoubtedly, Korea who is part of the WHC (for the next 4 years) will denounce this nomination with considerable force.

I expect a deferral or referral. Perhaps a rewording of the nomination that acknowledges the use of forced Korean labor? In a similar vein of the Goguryeo nomination successfully inscribed by China in 2004, considerable rewording.

Author Solivagant
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#57 | Posted: 8 Dec 2013 15:24 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Durian:
a supportive article on Japan's Meiji Sites by scotsmen!


In fact this is quite surprising - the Web site for this nomination is very detailed indeed about the elements which are to be nominated - We have discussed it earlier in Page 3 above under this topic. See here for the Web site - http://www.kyuyama.jp/e/index.html

BUT this crane isn't included among these elements!! The only Shipyard included for Nagasaki is the Kosuge "slip dock" from 1868 - this is on the Eastern bank of the harbour, South of the Glover House and Oura Cathedral. The "Scottish crane" is on the other (Western) bank in the suburb of Akunouramachi and isn't mentioned at all! It is also in the middle of the working shipyard.

Except that (!!!) - on this page of the Web site there is a line for an element called "Nagasaki Shipyard Facilities" which, unlike all the other elements
a isn't shown on the map
b. Has no information suuplied about it and no link to it
So perhaps it is in the middle of being "added"!! See this page on the right/middle http://www.kyuyama.jp/e/kyushuyamaguchi/ky_nagasaki_01.html

Author Durian
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#58 | Posted: 9 Dec 2013 07:19 
Solivagant:
BUT this crane isn't included among these elements!!


Strange! according to wikipedia, Mitsubishi dockyard with Scottish built crane is a part of nomination!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Modern_Industrial_Heritage_Sites_in_Ky%C5%ABsh%C5%AB _and_Yamaguchi

Author winterkjm
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#59 | Posted: 27 Dec 2013 17:37 

Author winterkjm
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#60 | Posted: 2 Jan 2014 22:16 | Edited by: winterkjm 
Possible nominations for 2015:

• Ruin of M'banza Kongo (Angola)
• Pampulha (Brazil)
• Tusi Chieftain sites (China)
• Burgundy (France)
• Champagne (France)
• Hamburg (Germany)
• Naumburg (Germany)
• Viking Sites (Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Latvia)
• Delhi (India)
• Khangchendzonga NP (India)
• Toraja Traditional Settlements (Indonesia)
• Susa (Iran)
• Ivrea (Italy)
• Port Royal (Jamaica)
• Sites of Japan's Meiji Industrial Revolution (Japan)
• Thimlich Ohinga Cultural Landscape (Kenya)
• Plains of Jars (Laos)
• Svalbard (Norway)
• Landscapes of Dauria (Russia, Mongolia)
• Singapore Botanic Gardens (Singapore)
• Baekje Kingdom Complex (South Korea)
• Campo de Montiel (Spain)
• Krang Krachang Forest (Thailand)
• Wat Phra Mahathat Woramahawihan, Nakhon Si Thammarat (Thailand)
• The Citadel and the Walls of Diyarbakir (Turkey)
• Historic environment of the Crimean Khans' capital in the city of Bağηasaray (Ukraine)
• Forth Railbridge (UK)
• Fray Bentos (Uruguay)
• San Antonio Missions (USA)

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